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Nothing & Everything => Open Discussion => Topic started by: Jake on August 16, 2021, 11:03:27 PM
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So what do you guys think of Biden and his administration so far? Is it everything you dreamed of? From the border crisis, covid19, inflation, and now Afghanistan- what grade would you give?
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He hasn't supported an insurrection yet, so that's a win. If you're really trying to compare him to Trump, I'm not going to bite.
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He hasn't supported an insurrection yet, so that's a win. If you're really trying to compare him to Trump, I'm not going to bite.
but you just did :)
but that is not why I am asking. I am asking for an honest opinion of the current administration. Are you happy with what has been accomplished? are you not happy with what is going on? I'll wait with my opinions until I hear some of yours, as I am genuinely curious.
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What grade did you give Trump Jake? Add three grades so far for Biden. This administration has at least acknowledged issues rather than purely ignoring them. While things haven't gone swimmingly, we're not even done with year one yet, so you could say some of this is residual from the previous administration. Maybe we hold off ranking him as a terrible president until the end of his term.
I mean, technically isn't Trump still secretly president? ;)
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What grade did you give Trump Jake? Add three grades so far for Biden. This administration has at least acknowledged issues rather than purely ignoring them. While things haven't gone swimmingly, we're not even done with year one yet, so you could say some of this is residual from the previous administration. Maybe we hold off ranking him as a terrible president until the end of his term.
I mean, technically isn't Trump still secretly president? ;)
why is it so hard to answer my question? and why the need to get defensive? I am just looking for an honest opinion from you guys that voted for Biden. That is all.
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I think he's made a solid effort on COVID: A on that
I agree with removing us from Afghanistan. The situation there was fucked and we can't defend them forever. The people that are complaining about it now are the same people that wanted us out. That's a no-win situation. Hard to give a grade on that one, but an A for committing to do it.
Economy: B? Again, hard to grade since it so much of it is tied to the previous administration.
Social: B I don't see him constantly in the news tearing people down or being a racist/bigot/sexist piece of shit. He's not perfect, but at least he's professional.
Border Crisis: No idea. Haven't kept up on it.
Anything else?
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why is it so hard to answer my question? and why the need to get defensive? I am just looking for an honest opinion from you guys that voted for Biden. That is all.
Did I get defensive? I thought I answered the question (well the grade bit).
The other things, I think he's largely done OK. I mean we're not out of the woods with anything, but that goes back to my initial comment of it's only been 6 ish months (7 if we're rounding up) so I haven't expected miracles. He's largely started doing the things he said he would and his policies need a bit of time to kick in, unless we're going to give all the credit to Joe for the stock market being up nearly 17% (5K)? I guess that could mean something against the inflation issues.
It seems he's still trying to do things nicely instead of forcing his way through everything, which I believe is the preferred method of democracy. Honestly, given the situation, I think the Dems should go pack the court, and railroad the Republicans to get things through, but they're generally not the party of that.
While I voted for Biden this go round, I've voted Republican every other time (with the exception of independent for the first Trump election). This current Republican party doesn't feel like the platform I grew up with, but maybe my perspective has changed too. If anything, I see the Biden term as a throw away term to try and get the country back on track and hopefully society can settle down a bit in the next 3 years.
Afghanistan: that sucks and while that's probably going to be a dark spot on his term, everyone wanted out of there, even Trump. Biden held off longer than planned and it still all fell apart. I do see that as a failing of the intelligence community though, unless (tin foil hat) there's a larger strategy at play.
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I think he's made a solid effort on COVID: A on that
I agree with removing us from Afghanistan. The situation there was fucked and we can't defend them forever. The people that are complaining about it now are the same people that wanted us out. That's a no-win situation. Hard to give a grade on that one, but an A for committing to do it.
Economy: B? Again, hard to grade since it so much of it is tied to the previous administration.
Social: B I don't see him constantly in the news tearing people down or being a racist/bigot/sexist piece of shit. He's not perfect, but at least he's professional.
Border Crisis: No idea. Haven't kept up on it.
Anything else?
thanks Ben, I'll wait on a few others before I chime in.
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Critiquing any President (even Trump) is tough since politics are a slow game. I mean half the stuff Trump dealt with or changed were policies made long before his term and things don't change quickly. Trump had a shitty card dealt with Covid. I have a feeling he might have had a second term if it didn't happen or even if he had handled it better. Biden now gets to deal with ending a "war" we started 20 years ago. But that's the card he's been dealt so it's ultimately his legacy. It hasn't started off well for him, so now we see what kind of leader we got and how he'll deal with the consequences. Ultimately I'm pleased we have a "presidential" person in place and while I might not agree with all of the decisions he's made or will be making, I'm fine with the normalcy that he's brought back to the office.
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You really think he would have had a second term without Covid? He was splitting the country, not bringing us together. He was constantly in the news because of his comments that were so abrasive or straight up racist/bigoted. I got to the point where it pained me to watch him speak.
I mean trust me, I see all the flags in my area for 'Trump 2020' still and now I'm starting to see the same flag with '2024' on it. But if people really couldn't see the insanity coming from Trump at the end of the term... I mean, are you blind?
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I honestly think he might have. I mean it would have been a narrow win, but I think it might have been possible. Things likely would have been going well enough that just enough people wouldn't want Biden in there, which is similar to how Trump won 2016 IMO. I didn't anticipate what Trump would do to the Republican party. I honestly thought if he got elected that the congress and senate would have stalled anything he tried and he'd essentially be a one term do nothing president. Oh how I was wrong.
I'm still a bit confused as to how this is all going to play out in the next decade or so. Scary thought is Trump might actually have a chance again in 2024. But I worry a bit more about someone like Cruz that's actually clever and seems willing to continue the Trump legacy.
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Relative to most Presidents: A
Relative to expectations: A-
Relative to preferences: C-
(Changed "relative to most presidents" after thinking about it. Had higher expectations than most Presidents so grade should be lower for expectations.)
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Alright Jake, your turn.
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Alright Jake, your turn.
I don't think it is fair to grade a person in his condition. I don't think he is fit to run this country. I don't think he is fit to make a mildly complicated order at starbucks. And I think this is why he has been hidden away from the cameras, and more importantly microphones, so much. The Afghanistan situation got so fucked, that he had to appear - his initial report to the nation was so horrible, that they made him show up again to try to clear things up.
I feel that by this time next year, Kamala will be the president. And even though that doesn't make me happy initially, it makes me hopeful for 2024 as she has no chance of getting elected into the office.
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I feel that by this time next year, Kamala will be the president. And even though that doesn't make me happy initially, it makes me hopeful for 2024 as she has no chance of getting elected into the office.
Because she's black, or because she's a woman? Or some other reason that I'm missing?
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Lame response Jake. Just lame. You gave no substance and sounded like a sensational news reporter. Disappointed.
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I feel that by this time next year, Kamala will be the president. And even though that doesn't make me happy initially, it makes me hopeful for 2024 as she has no chance of getting elected into the office.
Because she's black, or because she's a woman? Or some other reason that I'm missing?
Nice, rob. :bonk: because of her far left ideology that even moderate liberals will not support
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Lame response Jake. Just lame. You gave no substance and sounded like a sensational news reporter. Disappointed.
+1
You spun us all up, asking for a grade, and then you come back with that? Are you hoping Trump runs in 2024 and gets back in office? Please tell me you're not.
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I feel that by this time next year, Kamala will be the president. And even though that doesn't make me happy initially, it makes me hopeful for 2024 as she has no chance of getting elected into the office.
Because she's black, or because she's a woman? Or some other reason that I'm missing?
Nice, rob. :bonk: because of her far left ideology that even moderate liberals will not support
Jake, seriously, you don't have far left politicians in the US. You have right or extreme right.
Can you give me some examples of what you feel are left wing please?
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I am just looking for an honest opinion from you guys that voted for Biden.
Lair
Alright Jake, your turn.
I don't think it is fair to grade a person in his condition. I don't think he is fit to run this country. I don't think he is fit to make a mildly complicated order at starbucks. And I think this is why he has been hidden away from the cameras, and more importantly microphones, so much. The Afghanistan situation got so fucked, that he had to appear - his initial report to the nation was so horrible, that they made him show up again to try to clear things up.
I feel that by this time next year, Kamala will be the president. And even though that doesn't make me happy initially, it makes me hopeful for 2024 as she has no chance of getting elected into the office.
And there's the proof
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Afghanistan: that sucks and while that's probably going to be a dark spot on his term, everyone wanted out of there, even Trump. Biden held off longer than planned and it still all fell apart. I do see that as a failing of the intelligence community though, unless (tin foil hat) there's a larger strategy at play.
Afghanistan was a failure in understanding the people and the political situation to develop a winnable strategy. Simple put it isn't a nation-state and trying to install a centralized government in a territory that greatly divided was doomed to fail. There is a reason why it has historically been so hard to hold/control and we didn't learn from other's mistakes.
As far as the shit-show in getting out, well I lay that all at Trump's feet. He is the one that negotiated with the terrorists and set the time table. He should have had the plan ready to go and have started the process before Biden was even sworn in. The original date for withdrawal was May 1 which isn't enough time for a new administration to fully develop such a plan.
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Jake, it's quiet in here.
:trollface:
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Jake must be on vacation...
:P
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I was really hoping for a legit answer. I guess we're not going to get it.
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Jake, you back from vacation yet?
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FInland is nice. The town I live in is superb. Having a great time not thinking about this. *shrug*
https://goo.gl/maps/qzg8jC6BzAeSDpTf6
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Biden gets an F from me - you guys thought that Trump was a tyrant, look at what this puppet is doing. This most recent mandate, and the way he is trying to divide the nation by pinning one side against the other is very scary - reminiscent of what Hitler and his goons did to condition the weak-minded Germans to enforce horrible acts of violence on the Jews.
If I don't want to get the vaccine, I am deemed stupid, unintelligent, etc. - basically a lower class being than the "pro science" crowd. If that type of instigation and division does not scare you, you really need to think twice about what is going on.
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Jake, you're flat out wrong on this one. There are many vaccines are required and you probably got many of them as a kid. To think that this is some kind of totalitarian government because the people that chose not to get vaccinated are now filling up ICUs and required the government to finally step in is purely immature. Unfortunately it's required because enough people couldn't stop pretending it's not more serious than the flu. I'm with Howard Stern on this one, you chose not to get vaccinated and now need a bed? I'm sorry this person with another emergency gets it since they didn't need a $100 gift card, lottery chance for $1M, free hunting license or whatever to just care about the other people around them.
Nice to see you're back from vacation though. :)
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There are many vaccines are required and you probably got many of them as a kid.
you're right, but the diseases they vaccinate from are exponentially more deadly than covid19 and or they have much worse ongoing implications! Doesn't Polio have like 25% death rate? I also don't think as many people have a natural immunity or go through measles/mumps/rubella/etc without any symptoms! So you can't compare the COVID vaccine to any of those, you can, however, compare it to the Flu vaccine.
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You're comparing Biden to Hitler? Really?
You're effectively calling the rest of us 'sheep' for taking a vaccine that has been proven effective for preventing getting or at least against hospitalizing those that get the virus. Proven. And it's safe. You protect yourself and others by getting it. Can you PLEASE explain to me why this is bad? I'm dying for someone to give a legitimate excuse for not getting it.
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You're comparing Biden to Hitler? Really?
You're effectively calling the rest of us 'sheep' for taking a vaccine
no, I am not calling people who took the vaccine "sheep" - as I mentioned in the other thread, I have no problem with you taking (or not taking) the vaccine. I have a problem with the sheeple that ridicule the ones who decide not to take it.
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Ah, but so many people that are anti-vax ARE so vocal about it. I'm glad if you aren't one of them.
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Jake is a bahhhhd person. ;)
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If I don't want to get the vaccine, I am deemed stupid, unintelligent, etc. - basically a lower class being than the "pro science" crowd. If that type of instigation and division does not scare you, you really need to think twice about what is going on.
Dude you're such a pussy. Ooh noo... somebody called me stupid because I said something stupid. For someone who likes to tease others about being snowflakes, you're really struggling with being disagreed with.
Biden gets an F from me - you guys thought that Trump was a tyrant, look at what this puppet is doing. This most recent mandate, and the way he is trying to divide the nation by pinning one side against the other is very scary - reminiscent of what Hitler and his goons did to condition the weak-minded Germans to enforce horrible acts of violence on the Jews.
This is statement is stupid and unintelligent. I've posted in the other COVID threads that I don't disagree with you on everything about the vaccine mandates, so it's not your position on taking the vaccine that I am calling stupid and unintelligent. It's this kind of shit that is absurd and shows that you've gone way deep into the rabbit hole of conspiracy and nonsense.
I mean...
Hitler: Led a regime that sent millions of people to concentration camps to be killed
Trump: Prevented the free movement of people by restricting travel to certain countries (with some exceptions)
Biden: Plans to require that some people get tested weekly for an illness that has killed millions unless they show proof of taking a vaccine
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If I don't want to get the vaccine, I am deemed stupid, unintelligent, etc. - basically a lower class being than the "pro science" crowd. If that type of instigation and division does not scare you, you really need to think twice about what is going on.
Dude you're such a pussy. Ooh noo... somebody called me stupid because I said something stupid. For someone who likes to tease others about being snowflakes, you're really struggling with being disagreed with.
Biden gets an F from me - you guys thought that Trump was a tyrant, look at what this puppet is doing. This most recent mandate, and the way he is trying to divide the nation by pinning one side against the other is very scary - reminiscent of what Hitler and his goons did to condition the weak-minded Germans to enforce horrible acts of violence on the Jews.
This is statement is stupid and unintelligent. I've posted in the other COVID threads that I don't disagree with you on everything about the vaccine mandates, so it's not your position on taking the vaccine that I am calling stupid and unintelligent. It's this kind of shit that is absurd and shows that you've gone way deep into the rabbit hole of conspiracy and nonsense.
I mean...
Hitler: Led a regime that sent millions of people to concentration camps to be killed
Trump: Prevented the free movement of people by restricting travel to certain countries (with some exceptions)
Biden: Plans to require that some people get tested weekly for an illness that has killed millions unless they show proof of taking a vaccine
:rofl: obviously you missed the point of my post.
this is pretty good: https://www.pnas.org/content/112/26/7931
in addition to the example you didn't understand, another one is comparing the people that support the newly adopted abortion law to the Taliban. This is not the first time that the liberal media and media personalities likened right wingers to the Taliban or terrorists.
Aaaaaaanyway, I think I'll leave again, just gotta find my :tinfoil:
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If you think liberals or the mainstream media are trying to brainwash you, just wait until you find out what the media you consume is doing!
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in addition to the example you didn't understand, another one is comparing the people that support the newly adopted abortion law to the Taliban. This is not the first time that the liberal media and media personalities likened right wingers to the Taliban or terrorists.
Creating villains out of the opposition group is common.
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https://youtu.be/U2xNf4cuK3c
She seems so unprepared for this softball interview. What a complete failure.
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I'd love to know what your definition of a 'complete failure' is. I think she stumbled a little but I wouldn't call it a 'complete' failure. I don't know who that interviewer is but he was straight up attacking and asking the ever present 'why hasn't it happened yet' question over and over like a broken record. At the end of the day, I'm not her biggest fan but I think your comment is a bit dramatic.
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in this instance, my definition of complete failure is the entire biden presidency so far.
stumbled a little
:rofl: that was one of the worst interviews I've heard - like, Palin level.
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Those are such broad generalizations.
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in more of the same news, Richard Burr, a real big pharma insider will be most likely leading the FDA, the agency that is supposed to monitor his previous employers and organizations that compose most of his multi million dollar portfolio. Bravo. bravo!
https://readsludge.com/2022/01/06/bidens-big-pharma-pick-for-fda-could-squeak-through-with-help-from-pharma-funded-republicans/