Author Topic: Need a new laptop  (Read 7631 times)

KnuckleBuckett

  • Jackass In Charge
  • Posts: 8674
  • Karma: +26/-259
  • [url=http://google.com]I search a lot[/url]
Re: Need a new laptop
« Reply #30 on: May 29, 2009, 03:04:17 PM »
It isn't the images, it is managing them.  HDD speed and cache matters a good deal too.  Open a folder with 50 photos.  Watch how long it takes to simple thumbnail them.  Let alone batch edit, rename, filter, manipulate, and so on.

A GPU alone would be very helpful, let alone the standalone memory and CUDA support.


ober

  • Ashton Shagger
  • Ass Wipe
  • Posts: 14310
  • Karma: +73/-790
  • mini-ober is taking over
    • Windy Hill Web Solutions
Re: Need a new laptop
« Reply #31 on: May 29, 2009, 04:33:51 PM »
Helpful?  Sure.  I'm not arguing that point in the least.  But I'm not going to cry over a few seconds.  Hell, my work laptop can handle all of that shit pretty easily, and anything I'm looking at is 2 years newer.  I'm not that worried.

Perspective

  • badfish
  • Jackass In Charge
  • Posts: 4635
  • Karma: +64/-22
    • http://jeff.bagu.org
Re: Need a new laptop
« Reply #32 on: May 30, 2009, 11:41:04 AM »
Majority of PS stuff is likely done on the CPU anyway. unless you want to play games I wouldn't worry too much about dedicated graphics card.

KnuckleBuckett

  • Jackass In Charge
  • Posts: 8674
  • Karma: +26/-259
  • [url=http://google.com]I search a lot[/url]
Re: Need a new laptop
« Reply #33 on: May 30, 2009, 12:43:16 PM »
I dunno if this article helps...

Nvidia’s Cuda GPU acceleration pays off

We’ve seen some videos of how much Cuda with Nvidia graphics card can speed up certain effects in Photoshop CS4 and Premiere CS4. This is all a part of newly announced Creative Suite 4 and support for Nvidia’s Cuda.

Nvidia takes over acceleration on its GPU and it can run tremendously and notably faster than these programs accelerated just by the CPU. In Premiere CS4, in one of the plugins, Nvidia claims up to seven times faster performance compared to raw CPU power.

We’ve seen videos of Photoshop CS4 with and without GPU and the performance of real time image rotation, instant zooming and panning are notably faster with GPU.

Brush resizing and brushstroke preview, high-dynamic tone mapping and colour conversion should run faster, too.

On Adobe After Effects CS4 you can get effects such as depth of field, bilateral blur effects, turbulent noise such as flowing water or waving flags, and cartoon effects accelerated on GPU.

Adobe Premiere Pro CS4 can also accelerate Video but only with Quadro GPUs. Photoshop works with normal Nvidia GPUs. Adobe Premiere Pro CS4 can use the Quadro GPU to accelerate high-quality video effects such as motion, opacity, color, and image distortion. They will enable faster editing of multiple high-definition video streams and graphic overlays and provide a variety of video output choices for high-quality preview, including display port, component TV, or uncompressed 10 or 12-bit SDI.

If you use Elemental RapiHD CUDA Plug-In for Premiere Pro CS4 you can get up to seven times performance gain over CPU. This plug-in can Render Blu-ray quality AVC/H.264 files in real-time, Scrub multiple streams of AVCHD and HDV video, Accelerated workflow with fast high-quality scaling, cross-dissolves, and transition effects.

As Nvidia wants to keep making money on Quadro graphic card series, Premiere effects works only on this ultra expensive professional cards but we can say that it does make a huge difference at least on video . We are working to try this in our lab environment and justify these claims but from the videos we’ve seen, the GPU accelerated Photoshop CS4 and Premiere CS4 do run notably faster than the CPU accelerated ones.

I guess this is what Intel was afraid of in the first place. A senior vice president of Creative Solutions at Adobe made a bold statement saying:"A critical element of CS4 was to capture the enormous power of the GPU. The difference is astounding. Performance is important to creative professionals and with the NVIDIA GPU, they are assured to be able to interact with images and videos in a much faster, smoother, more engaging way."

Let me remind you that this works only on Geforce 8 and 9 series GPUs and it might not run on Radeons, as ATI doesn’t support Cuda at this time. We will investigatete about this.

You can check some of the videos here but the Creative Suite 4, Photoshop CS4, and Premiere CS4 that most of you might care about should be out in October. I guess Nvidia was right, GPU can be used for "smart" things not only gaming.

Let me remind you that this works only on Geforce 8 and 9 series GPUs and it might not run on Radeons, as ATI doesn’t support Cuda at this time. We will investigatete about this.

You can check some of the videos here but the Creative Suite 4, Photoshop CS4, and Premiere CS4 that most of you might care about should be out in October. I guess Nvidia was right, GPU can be used for "smart" things not only gaming.

Perspective

  • badfish
  • Jackass In Charge
  • Posts: 4635
  • Karma: +64/-22
    • http://jeff.bagu.org
Re: Need a new laptop
« Reply #34 on: May 30, 2009, 02:33:20 PM »
Sorry, but it just sounds kind of ridiculous to me...

We’ve seen videos of Photoshop CS4 with and without GPU and the performance of real time image rotation, instant zooming and panning are notably faster with GPU.



.. oh no, i have to wait a fraction of a second for my image to rotate without hardware acceleration. I think I'll live.

Certainly PS can benefit a lot from GPU rendering (it looks like they've already started going in that direction). But I wouldn't call it necessary by any means.

KnuckleBuckett

  • Jackass In Charge
  • Posts: 8674
  • Karma: +26/-259
  • [url=http://google.com]I search a lot[/url]
Re: Need a new laptop
« Reply #35 on: May 30, 2009, 04:26:56 PM »
Wow.  Looking at it that way, why did we ever leave the Win98 and Pentium days.  Just wait longer and the results are the same. 

Hell Obes!  Save the cash!  I bet IT has an older model they will send ya!

Perspective

  • badfish
  • Jackass In Charge
  • Posts: 4635
  • Karma: +64/-22
    • http://jeff.bagu.org
Re: Need a new laptop
« Reply #36 on: May 30, 2009, 06:27:25 PM »
:rolleyes: That's just a slight over generalization of my point.... If all you need graphics wise is PS than paying extra for dedicated video is a waste of money.

charlie

  • Jackass In Charge
  • Posts: 7903
  • Karma: +84/-53
Re: Need a new laptop
« Reply #37 on: May 30, 2009, 10:14:41 PM »
You almost made me buy a laptop with this thread, ober. I was one click away from getting the $599 Gateway at Best Buy.

Mike

  • Jackass In Charge
  • Posts: 11257
  • Karma: +168/-32
  • Ex Asshole - a better and more caring person.
Re: Need a new laptop
« Reply #38 on: May 30, 2009, 10:47:57 PM »
Why are we fighting over PS when you should be using GIMP instead :D

KnuckleBuckett

  • Jackass In Charge
  • Posts: 8674
  • Karma: +26/-259
  • [url=http://google.com]I search a lot[/url]
Re: Need a new laptop
« Reply #39 on: May 31, 2009, 12:29:00 AM »
I disagree.  We have laptops at work with integrated solutions.  The newer models are Core2Duos with 2GB RAM and XP Pro.  Yet whenever I pull out Picasa or similar viewer it is always a pausathon.  It has to render each thumbnail, edits are slow enough that I find it annoying, and I am getting paid for my time. 

Ober I am not saying it won't work for what you want to do.  Though I question an integrateds ability to play HD video.  It will manipulate photos just fine.  But it will feel like less of a pc than it should.  Besides when do I ever steer ya wrong.

That said.  Target sells a mean Netbook for $350!

ober

  • Ashton Shagger
  • Ass Wipe
  • Posts: 14310
  • Karma: +73/-790
  • mini-ober is taking over
    • Windy Hill Web Solutions
Re: Need a new laptop
« Reply #40 on: May 31, 2009, 08:51:04 AM »
Like I said, I'm not disagreeing with you. But even that article mainly talks about CS4 and stuff I don't use. I'm using CS3 and doing low level shit. And I would do any video editing on my main PC anyways. Trust me when I say I'm not shooting myself in the foot here.

KnuckleBuckett

  • Jackass In Charge
  • Posts: 8674
  • Karma: +26/-259
  • [url=http://google.com]I search a lot[/url]
Re: Need a new laptop
« Reply #41 on: May 31, 2009, 10:03:33 AM »
Done.

Steve

  • This 49%er supports Romney
  • Just a Jackass
  • *
  • Posts: 16120
  • Karma: +31/-410
  • Mr. Mom
Re: Need a new laptop
« Reply #42 on: May 31, 2009, 11:55:11 AM »
Why are we fighting over PS when you should be using GIMP instead :D

Thank you.
hey ethic if you and i were both courting lily allen..... oh wait, which one of us has a relationship that lasted more than the bus ride home?

Mike

  • Jackass In Charge
  • Posts: 11257
  • Karma: +168/-32
  • Ex Asshole - a better and more caring person.
Re: Need a new laptop
« Reply #43 on: May 31, 2009, 12:34:24 PM »
Shut up :angel:

Steve

  • This 49%er supports Romney
  • Just a Jackass
  • *
  • Posts: 16120
  • Karma: +31/-410
  • Mr. Mom
Re: Need a new laptop
« Reply #44 on: May 31, 2009, 12:39:12 PM »
hey ethic if you and i were both courting lily allen..... oh wait, which one of us has a relationship that lasted more than the bus ride home?