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Vote for your preferred candidate(s) for U.S. President

Donald Trump (R)
0 (0%)
Joe Biden (D)
3 (60%)
Jo Jorgensen (L)
2 (40%)
Howie Hawkins (G)
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 5

Voting closed: November 03, 2020, 02:48:43 PM

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #60 on: November 13, 2019, 01:13:19 PM »
I'm loving this.  :D  And I swear we're not trying to gang up on you.  If you were right we wouldn't have to.  LOL

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #61 on: November 14, 2019, 06:08:35 AM »
As the parties currently stand you can let corporations run the country or socialism happen.   :suicide2:

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #62 on: November 14, 2019, 09:23:10 AM »
Why the fear of "socialism"? I find it funny that Americans are happy with publicly funded schools, emergency services, city/state infrastructure, but cringe in fear over the idea of publicly funding other essential services like health care. It works in literally every other 1st world country in the world, why not make 'merica great and fund the basic needs of your citizens?

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #63 on: November 14, 2019, 11:07:35 AM »
Why the fear of "socialism"? I find it funny that Americans are happy with publicly funded schools, emergency services, city/state infrastructure, but cringe in fear over the idea of publicly funding other essential services like health care. It works in literally every other 1st world country in the world, why not make 'merica great and fund the basic needs of your citizens?
This.  Allllllllll this.

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #64 on: November 14, 2019, 12:03:24 PM »
 :popcorn2:

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #65 on: November 14, 2019, 12:57:33 PM »
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I've got to say there is a striking similarity between Trump and Johnson.  Like their terrible hair

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #66 on: November 15, 2019, 06:08:52 AM »
Why the fear of "socialism"? I find it funny that Americans are happy with publicly funded schools, emergency services, city/state infrastructure, but cringe in fear over the idea of publicly funding other essential services like health care. It works in literally every other 1st world country in the world, why not make 'merica great and fund the basic needs of your citizens?
This.  Allllllllll this.

Happy.  With publicly funded schools?  Have you seen the ever decreasing quality of any public services?  If you think that I want healthcare in those morons hands you gotta be nuts.  Socialist entities are a wonderful check / balance to a capitalist society.  Turn it around and you get hate by your group not your achievements.  You also end up with mass murder by the millions, one group at a time in order of who threatens the administration that takes power most.  Well until you have destroyed so many and so much you end up as a USSR, China, or the like.  Know of any socialist governments that are places you would have wanted to live?

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #67 on: November 15, 2019, 08:38:13 AM »
Why the fear of "socialism"? I find it funny that Americans are happy with publicly funded schools, emergency services, city/state infrastructure, but cringe in fear over the idea of publicly funding other essential services like health care. It works in literally every other 1st world country in the world, why not make 'merica great and fund the basic needs of your citizens?
This.  Allllllllll this.

Happy.  With publicly funded schools?  Have you seen the ever decreasing quality of any public services?  If you think that I want healthcare in those morons hands you gotta be nuts.  Socialist entities are a wonderful check / balance to a capitalist society.  Turn it around and you get hate by your group not your achievements.  You also end up with mass murder by the millions, one group at a time in order of who threatens the administration that takes power most.  Well until you have destroyed so many and so much you end up as a USSR, China, or the like.  Know of any socialist governments that are places you would have wanted to live?
You claim it's a 'wonderful check/balance' but it's wildly out of control.  Insurance doesn't cover shit and rates just keep going up.  You seem to think that it's either what we have or what China has.  Like there is no middle ground.  That seems like a wild exaggeration.  I remember when insurance covered most of every visit and premiums weren't that bad.  And then all of a sudden everyone has these high deductible plans which everyone seems ok with but it makes no sense.  How is it that the rates / premiums keep going up but we keep getting less and less coverage out of it?  Explain that to me!  It is broken as fuck and MANY countries have state run healthcare that works and doesn't make their people poor in the process.

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #68 on: November 15, 2019, 11:31:50 AM »
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I've got to say there is a striking similarity between Trump and Johnson.  Like their terrible hair

... and the fact that they are both absolute buffoons.

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #69 on: November 15, 2019, 11:34:23 AM »
MANY countries have state run healthcare that works and doesn't make their people poor in the process.
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #70 on: November 15, 2019, 02:32:42 PM »
I was talking with a co-worker about random political stuff (mostly climate change) and it was really striking to me how the conversation kept coming back to his fear/aversion/etc of socialism. And his mind it was always Venezuela or USSR and never Norway or Canada.

Doesn't mean he's necessarily wrong. It's possible that increasing the role of the federal government in certain areas could lead us on the path of failed communist states. But, like, I could never get him to explain why those examples were more applicable than social democracies that are doing just fine now.

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #71 on: November 15, 2019, 02:51:04 PM »
I added a poll... US only. Select your favorite or favorites if you have a couple.

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #72 on: November 15, 2019, 03:52:07 PM »
Hey, we're having an election too you know. Only one thing scares me more than Boris getting back in, an that's the opposition getting in.

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #73 on: November 15, 2019, 05:13:55 PM »
Doesn't the UK have a "very sucks, give us a new slate" option?

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #74 on: November 15, 2019, 08:42:35 PM »
Why the fear of "socialism"? I find it funny that Americans are happy with publicly funded schools, emergency services, city/state infrastructure, but cringe in fear over the idea of publicly funding other essential services like health care. It works in literally every other 1st world country in the world, why not make 'merica great and fund the basic needs of your citizens?
This.  Allllllllll this.

Happy.  With publicly funded schools?  Have you seen the ever decreasing quality of any public services?  If you think that I want healthcare in those morons hands you gotta be nuts.  Socialist entities are a wonderful check / balance to a capitalist society.  Turn it around and you get hate by your group not your achievements.  You also end up with mass murder by the millions, one group at a time in order of who threatens the administration that takes power most.  Well until you have destroyed so many and so much you end up as a USSR, China, or the like.  Know of any socialist governments that are places you would have wanted to live?
You claim it's a 'wonderful check/balance' but it's wildly out of control.  Insurance doesn't cover shit and rates just keep going up.  You seem to think that it's either what we have or what China has.  Like there is no middle ground.  That seems like a wild exaggeration.  I remember when insurance covered most of every visit and premiums weren't that bad.  And then all of a sudden everyone has these high deductible plans which everyone seems ok with but it makes no sense.  How is it that the rates / premiums keep going up but we keep getting less and less coverage out of it?  Explain that to me!  It is broken as fuck and MANY countries have state run healthcare that works and doesn't make their people poor in the process.

None our size and what is broken as fuck is that we no longer allow socialism to check / balance capitalism.  Now we reap the rewards of such a system and cry that only full socialism can work.  I disagree.  Stop outlawing things like unions public and private.  Give the unrepresented a voice again.  I went over a few of my proposals in another thread and even Char didn't bite my head off.  You know me well enough not to push that BS above on me.  I understand shit ain't right but the current set of fucking human feces up for the presidency has NO upside.  We should round them up and imprison them for life.