Topic: Python overtakes PHP

[Dumah]

http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html

'bout time!

[ober]

Hm... wonder what's driving the change.  I would still use PHP over Python any day.

[webwhy]

Hm... wonder what's driving the change.  I would still use PHP over Python any day.

Django maybe?

[Mike]

The ratings are based on the number of skilled engineers world-wide, courses and third party vendors.

That doesn't seem like a good metric to me.  Doesn't take into account actual usage.

[Dumah]

Hm... wonder what's driving the change.  I would still use PHP over Python any day.

More uses I guess. That's one of the reasons for me.

[Mike]

Hm... wonder what's driving the change.  I would still use PHP over Python any day.

More uses I guess. That's one of the reasons for me.

I can (and do) use PHP for pretty much everything, including command line scripting.  Not sure what python can do that PHP can't.

[Dumah]

Hm... wonder what's driving the change.  I would still use PHP over Python any day.

More uses I guess. That's one of the reasons for me.

I can (and do) use PHP for pretty much everything, including command line scripting.  Not sure what python can do that PHP can't.

Expose native COM interfaces, GUI building, antigravity, libraries for all sorts of stuff (math, science, ...), Java integration with Jython, Cool libraries like boost::python that make extension writing a breeze...

[Mike]

Hm... wonder what's driving the change.  I would still use PHP over Python any day.

More uses I guess. That's one of the reasons for me.

I can (and do) use PHP for pretty much everything, including command line scripting.  Not sure what python can do that PHP can't.

Expose native COM interfaces,

So platform specific nonsense.

GUI building,

There is actually a library for that.  Of course I've found less and less need for a true GUI solution as I move more and more to the web.

antigravity, libraries for all sorts of stuff (math, science, ...),

PHP has quite a few libraries if you need them.

Java integration with Jython,

Pfffftttt.  Yeah, lets integrate with a crappy language

Cool libraries like boost::python that make extension writing a breeze...

Never really got the point of the boost libraries when doing C++ so not sure of what the benefit is for python.

[Dumah]

Sooo.....lots of "oh yeah, I dont care"....

[Steve]

Java might be crap, but its pretty prominent

[Mike]

Sooo.....lots of "oh yeah, I dont care"....

Basically   Talk to me when Python doesn't freak out over whitespace

Java might be crap, but its pretty prominent

Internet Explorer is the prominent browser.  Prominence and quality are rarely the same.

[Steve]

Agreed, but a web language has to accomdate somewhat

[webwhy]

Prominence and quality are rarely the same.

so what makes PHP a quality language?  just curious...

[Dumah]

Sooo.....lots of "oh yeah, I dont care"....

Basically   Talk to me when Python doesn't freak out over whitespace

I never worried about the whitespace thing. If you have a decent editor it doesn't matter too much. I'm fussy with indentation no matter if I'm using C++ or markup

[Mike]

Sooo.....lots of "oh yeah, I dont care"....

Basically   Talk to me when Python doesn't freak out over whitespace

I never worried about the whitespace thing. If you have a decent editor it doesn't matter too much. I'm fussy with indentation no matter if I'm using C++ or markup

I keep hearing the "decent editor" argument (for more than just python's indentation but for other things as well) and I don't buy it.  I've had to make code changes using notepad and other really basic editors because that was all I had available to me at the moment.  To me a decent editor is a nice to have.

I'm pretty particular about my indentation but I'm working on code written by others that have just horrendous coding styles.  If I had to actually deal with making sure the file was indented properly I'd have gone insane a long time ago.