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« on: October 03, 2005, 03:52:06 AM »
Nearly finished this Bukowski masterpiece.  Has anyone else read it or any of his other works?
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« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2005, 05:32:25 PM »
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']Nearly finished this Bukowski masterpiece.  Has anyone else read it or any of his other works?



Never read that one, but Bukowski is by far my favorite poet. His prose is fine as well...but his poetry...man...it changed the way I write and think about art. I think I've made a thread about him in the past :dunno:

If I get some free time I'll read ham on rye...it's sitting on my bookshelf as we speak :(
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« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2005, 05:35:54 PM »
Stealth, if you want to pick up a volume of his poetry get this. It is amazing. Below is the book's first poem:

so you want to be a writer
by Charles Bukowski (bookmark) (print) (next)
 
if it doesn't come bursting out of you
in spite of everything,
don't do it.
unless it comes unasked out of your
heart and your mind and your mouth
and your gut,
don't do it.
if you have to sit for hours
staring at your computer screen
or hunched over your
typewriter
searching for words,
don't do it.
if you're doing it for money or
fame,
don't do it.
if you're doing it because you want
women in your bed,
don't do it.
if you have to sit there and
rewrite it again and again,
don't do it.
if it's hard work just thinking about doing it,
don't do it.
if you're trying to write like somebody
else,
forget about it.


if you have to wait for it to roar out of
you,
then wait patiently.
if it never does roar out of you,
do something else.

if you first have to read it to your wife
or your girlfriend or your boyfriend
or your parents or to anybody at all,
you're not ready.

don't be like so many writers,
don't be like so many thousands of
people who call themselves writers,
don't be dull and boring and
pretentious, don't be consumed with self-
love.
the libraries of the world have
yawned themselves to
sleep
over your kind.
don't add to that.
don't do it.
unless it comes out of
your soul like a rocket,
unless being still would
drive you to madness or
suicide or murder,
don't do it.
unless the sun inside you is
burning your gut,
don't do it.

when it is truly time,
and if you have been chosen,
it will do it by
itself and it will keep on doing it
until you die or it dies in you.

there is no other way.

and there never was.
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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2005, 07:17:48 PM »
>>If I get some free time I'll read ham on rye...it's sitting on my bookshelf as we speak<<

It's a pretty easy ready..not subject-wise, but his style is compulsive.  I read it over the space of a day.
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« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2005, 07:31:57 PM »
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That was not good. :(


what do you mean?
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« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2005, 08:16:20 PM »
I guess you don't want to be a writer :p

here is another that I really like:

The love poems of Catullus

she read his poems
she read them to the men waiting in her bed
then tore them up
laughing
and fell on the bed
opening her legs to the nearest convenient
cock.

but Catullus continued to write love
poems to her
as she fucked slaves in back
alleys, and
when they were together
she robbed him while he was
drunk,
mocked his verse and his
love,
pissed on his
floor.

Catullus who
otherwise
wrote brilliant
poems
faltered under the spell of
this wench
who
it is said
as she grew old
fled from him
begat a new life upon a far isle
where she ended up a
suicide.

Catullus was like
most poets:
I understand
and forgive as I
re-read him:
he knew
as death approached
that it's
better to start out with a
strumpet than to end up
with one.
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