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Vote for your preferred candidate(s) for U.S. President

Donald Trump (R)
0 (0%)
Joe Biden (D)
3 (60%)
Jo Jorgensen (L)
2 (40%)
Howie Hawkins (G)
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Voting closed: November 03, 2020, 02:48:43 PM

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #45 on: November 13, 2019, 12:21:33 AM »
As far as the trolling goes...I enjoy defending Trump because so many people I know are so much against him. But they seem to hate him for things ( for the most part ) that are not important. Look at our economy - it is the strongest it has been in a long time. Look at the markets, they are hitting records. Look at unemployment... Sure, many of these things started with Obama, but if Trump was shit, they would not continue for so long and at such pace.

lol...

Trump is shit. He's really really bad. He's corrupt. He's incompetent. He's a buffoon. He has no sense of duty to his country or to other people.

Like, I don't really care if you vote Johnson or Bloomberg or fucking Matt Walsh. But I get really disappointed in people who are still supporting Trump.

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #46 on: November 13, 2019, 12:53:05 AM »
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He's corrupt

I think we spent enough time and money trying to support this with nothing to show for it.

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He's a buffoon

Yep. Agreed.


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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #47 on: November 13, 2019, 01:40:14 AM »
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He's corrupt

I think we spent enough time and money trying to support this with nothing to show for it.

Honestly I don't know how you can come to this conclusion if you're paying any kind of attention to what is going on. Not even trolling or trying to be mean. I just honestly struggle to understand what you could be looking at to think he's not corrupt.

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #48 on: November 13, 2019, 01:49:20 AM »
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He's corrupt

I think we spent enough time and money trying to support this with nothing to show for it.

Honestly I don't know how you can come to this conclusion if you're paying any kind of attention to what is going on. Not even trolling or trying to be mean. I just honestly struggle to understand what you could be looking at to think he's not corrupt.


I think the burden is on you (or others accusing Trump of corruption) to show that he is. My visibility is limited, I admit, but enough to see no facts.
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #49 on: November 13, 2019, 06:18:03 AM »
I actually completely agree with the way common core was designed.  It's how I do math in my head and both of my kids did REALLY well with it and continue to be in accelerated math.  No offense when I say this but I found that the people that were against it in our school either didn't take the time to understand it or were to stubborn to see the benefit of it.  I went to a public session about it at one of the schools that only further solidified that view.

Same, I was warry at first because so many people were against it and it seems silly to break everything out.... but you're exactly right, I pride my self on my (elementary) math skills and ability to do things like multiply double-digit numbers in my head or, you know, calculate a tip  :rolleyes: - so thing that so many people seem so confused by  :dunno:

My dad taught me how to think "out side the box" when I was in like 1st-4th grade when it came to math.  In that case, "the box" was traditional formulas and rote memorization.... things that are still taught in common core BUT are now expanded on by explaining the WHY and HOW first.  I love that my 2nd grader can add double digit numbers in her head and then explain how she figured it out.  (eg  37+56 is 93 because 50 + 30 is 80 and 7 + 6 is 13. 80 and 13 make 93... because 80 plus 10 is 90 and then you add 3 more.

That's common core, and it makes common sense to me.
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #50 on: November 13, 2019, 08:58:08 AM »
@Jake - do you live under a rock?  No offense, but there are multiple things that have come to light about Trump.  He refuses to show his tax returns.  He's made multiple attempts, one just recently with the next G7 summit, to benefit from his office.  He clearly asked Ukraine to dig up dirt on the Bidens.  The Republicans tried to sweep the Mueller report under the rug and I still believe we haven't heard the end of that.  Multiple people working on that have come out and said that there was clear obstruction of justice.  He has pressured the Fed to drop interest rates.  He's literally paid off pornstars to make his affairs go away.  Do I need to keep going?

@Micah - totally agree with you.

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #51 on: November 13, 2019, 09:26:05 AM »
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Do I need to keep going?

you do need to keep going, because nothing here proves a god damn thing. The only thing I agree is shit is hosting G7 at his property - but even that, like seriously? the other stuff is fodder. Trump hopes Dems keep concentrating on things like that as that will practically give him the election.

about the Ukraine thing - read this: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/whistleblower-ukraine-trump-impeach-cia-spying-895529/ 
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #52 on: November 13, 2019, 11:02:41 AM »
about the Ukraine thing - read this: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/whistleblower-ukraine-trump-impeach-cia-spying-895529/ 

I think maybe you just aren't tuned into what's going on or your news sources are lacking. That link says absolutely nothing about the legitimacy of the Ukraine/Biden accusations. It basically just talks about how the whistleblower in this case shouldn't be celebrated like whistleblowers in the past who sacrificed so much more than this person has.

But that has nothing to do with whether Trump asked a foreign government to investigate a political opponent, or whether the administration withheld aid with the expectation that it would be delivered once a Ukrainian investigation was announced, or whether people in the administration made efforts to hide details about all that. All the information provided by the whistleblower so far has been corroborated by additional witnesses.

It's the same shenanigans they tried to pull with the Russia allegations.. media sources friendly to Trump spend a ton of time attacking the guy who put together the Steele dossier while completely ignoring the external evidence that backs up a lot of what is included. It's sleight of hand and too many people paying limited attention to the story only see this type of report and assume it's all bunk.

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #53 on: November 13, 2019, 12:05:50 PM »
Overall, I think that instead of concentrating on digging up (or fabricating) dirt on Trump, Dems should concentrate on why they should lead this country.

In my line of work, if I tried to sell to customers by telling them why the competition sucks, I would not close very many deals. I am successful because I know my shit and show them why they need it and how their investment will bring back returns.
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #54 on: November 13, 2019, 12:11:04 PM »
I'm so happy that our school is going back to teaching math the way we were. 

Given how many people claim to not understand math and how acceptable math illiteracy is I'm not sure how we were taught is actually a good thing.

There is a culture of acceptable math illiteracy that I see even among teachers.  You know those math "puzzles" that people get different results from?  If we had solid math literacy then the response wouldn't be 10 or 36 but "That is a really poorly written equation, go rewrite it to be clear".  Just like if we were presented with a poorly worded argument (like everything Trump says).

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #55 on: November 13, 2019, 12:12:56 PM »
Overall, I think that instead of concentrating on digging up (or fabricating) dirt on Trump, Dems should concentrate on why they should lead this country.

This is a bad take. Why are you making it about Democrats versus Republicans? Edit: Also, why would you think they're incapable of doing both? What news sources are you following that make you think Democrats are focusing on Trump and ignoring the tasks of running the country?

The amount of corruption and debasing of the office of the Presidency is staggering. This is not George Bush (or Bill Clinton). This isn't a typical President that the other side hates and wants to lose. This President is different and if you just let all his shit go, you're causing significant harm to the future of the country and the ability to ever hold any politician accountable. I'm surprised you're so blase about holding the politicians accountable for corrupt behavior. Seems like it would be something you'd be passionate about.
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #56 on: November 13, 2019, 12:13:35 PM »
Also... try an article like this to get up to speed on the Ukraine/impeachment topic:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-weve-already-learned-from-the-democrats-impeachment-witnesses/

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #57 on: November 13, 2019, 12:28:28 PM »
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I'm surprised you're so blase about holding the politicians accountable for corrupt behavior. Seems like it would be something you'd be passionate about.

in fact, I am, but, sadly, I think that many politicians are corrupt and very few do it from a deeper need to serve the people.

Russiagate did not prove anything. It was not the smoking gun we all thought it would be. Hardly. Should we dig more, perhaps, but at what cost, and is it worth it? Ukrainegate - I'm certain shit like that happens all the time internally and internationally. That doesn't justify it, far from it, but this alone will not make him lose the election.

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This is a bad take. Why are you making it about Democrats versus Republicans?

I make it D vs R because that is realistic - nothing else is at this time. I believe most people opposed to Trump think the way you do, that this is a bad take, and that is why Trump will be president for the next 4 years. You really don't think fielding a great candidate with a strong centrist platform that represents the majority of America is a better strategy than looking for naughty things Trump did. I think it is very obvious that at this time, other than coming out gay or something, Trump supporters will vote for him no matter what.
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #58 on: November 13, 2019, 12:45:15 PM »
Also... try an article like this to get up to speed on the Ukraine/impeachment topic:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-weve-already-learned-from-the-democrats-impeachment-witnesses/


thanks, I'll read it tonight.
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #59 on: November 13, 2019, 12:46:24 PM »
Man we haven't had a good debate on here in a while.  That's what used to make this place so alive.  C'mon - let's go toe to toe!

is this good enough? I just need some help! :)
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