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Title: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on February 26, 2020, 04:08:11 PM
thoughts?

this is a cool map: https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

It is already disrupting the supply chain in my industry - lead times on equipment are 3 to 5 months where they were 3 to 6 weeks before.

Either way, if you don't have a home emergency food/water supply - this is a good time to think about it. Even if nothing happens out of this, it is good to have 3-7 days of things on hand.

I don't think it will be "deadly" here in North America, but I think it will affect economy and industry significantly.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: KnuckleBuckett on February 27, 2020, 06:14:34 AM
It doesn't seem to be a super dangerous like SARS or Ebola I suppose.  Sure spreads easily though.  I think that it will go on well past 2020 and the economic effects will depend upon how well we learn to manage it.

This has been floating around.  https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aAgLBRZ_700bwp.webp


Seems like this would be right up Jen's alley...
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: ober on February 27, 2020, 09:15:27 AM
I think it's sort of being blown out of proportion.  Based on the numbers, it's not even as deadly as the normal flu from what I heard.  Yes it spreads but so does the normal flu.  Maybe I'm missing something but I think we'd all be better off if this was just treated like another strain of what we get every year.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: micah on February 27, 2020, 02:41:03 PM
I think it's sort of being blown out of proportion.  Based on the numbers, it's not even as deadly as the normal flu from what I heard.  Yes it spreads but so does the normal flu.  Maybe I'm missing something but I think we'd all be better off if this was just treated like another strain of what we get every year.

I agree with this, but would caveat that this hyper awareness is a great way to also stop the spread of the flu and other, more common viruses.  Screening at airports and forced quarantine, required hand washing in certain areas or normalizing the wearing of protective masks, could all help reduce easily transmitted pathogens. There's a balance there somewhere between an abundance-of-caution and civil/personal liberties...but this is an interesting real-world case study of how we can prepare for both pandemic and regional-viral outbreaks.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: charlie on February 27, 2020, 02:55:10 PM
Here's one image on current potential infection and fatality rate: (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERuFIiGUcAAFyYM?format=jpg)

I personally don't see people freaking out yet but it's legitimately a big story and they can't really be sure yet how bad it can get. Worth monitoring here in the U.S. and hopefully health officials are preparing.

This has been floating around.  https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aAgLBRZ_700bwp.webp

Some very bad logic in that infographic. :eek:


Based on the numbers, it's not even as deadly as the normal flu from what I heard.

Even if this is true, the flu kills a lot of people! We should do more to work on that.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on February 27, 2020, 09:02:23 PM
They covered it on the Daily today on NPR
https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5wb2R0cmFjLmNvbS96S3E2V1paTFRsYk0&episode=Z2lkOi8vYXJ0MTktZXBpc29kZS1sb2NhdG9yL1YwL2hMeGk2enVUdmt6NnpfSWlxVlhwZE5nSi1lR2k3LXltSVlPOHpJb09FZTg
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: ahanson on February 28, 2020, 06:16:58 PM
My wife is starting to stock up on some non-perishables and water just in case. While I don't think it'll come to widespread panic stage, it's possible that it causes inconvenience and like Jake said, it's just a good idea in general.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Perspective on March 02, 2020, 09:13:29 AM
I also stocked up on some non-perishables. If I end up not needing it I'll make a nice donation to the food bank.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: charlie on March 02, 2020, 04:57:16 PM
I mean, they are non-perishables.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: jkim on March 02, 2020, 05:00:44 PM
We have a whole bunch of nonperishables and frozen already in our pantry and freezer and just trying to maintain stock. Trying to avoid the supermarkets and the big stores on busy days though. They're complete madhouses.

The hospital I work at is implementing a bunch of measures to ensure patient and staff safety. We are NOT an emergency hospital and trying our hardest to avoid any unnecessary exposure. All hospital-sponsored travel to/from China, HK, Taiwan, SK, Italy, Iran, and Japan were suspended. Staff have been asked to notify management of ANY upcoming international travel. Personal travel to those areas may result in a quarantine upon return. All international patients from those areas have been postponed until further notice.

But on the ground, the response is the same as the flu. Practice respiratory and hand hygiene, get the flu vaccine, clean and disinfect surfaces frequently, and don't come to work sick.

I'm worried about the economic impact for small business in addition to the macro scale. I've definitely heard of 1st hand accounts of small dry cleaners, nail salons, liquor stores all losing business this past week. No one has been coming in, presumably because of the virus scare.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 02, 2020, 09:36:46 PM
We ran out to Costco this evening to grab a few things and they were completely out of water, paper towels, and toilet paper. They were running low on rice and some canned goods. And this is just the beginning
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: ahanson on March 02, 2020, 10:49:36 PM
My wife stopped at Target on her way home today for normal stuff and sent me a picture of the cleared out cold med and pain med isles. She said it was insane and people are crazy. Meanwhile, I stopped off on my way home to a different store for some OJ (not Target and other side of town) and everything seemed normal.

I heard from some coworkers though that the Costcos around here were crazy last weekend too.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: micah on March 04, 2020, 06:41:10 AM
My girlfriends corporate boss sent out an e-mail saying "There is a serious shortage of hand sanitizer and Lysol wipes. Please stop what you are doing and go get some for your store. This is important for the safety of our teams. React and stock up."   She sent me a screenshot and was like LOL that's ridiculous.  She inevitably sent an employee to walmart which was completely sold out of everything!  She called a few other businesses and was able to get the local dollar store to hold 20-bottles of hand sanitizer. Crazy.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Perspective on March 04, 2020, 11:26:58 AM
I asked about hand sanitizer at our drug store and the pharmacist (literally) laughed at me. They've been sold out for a long time and can't get anymore in stock.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: jkim on March 04, 2020, 03:56:13 PM
Welp. Hospital has shut down all work-sponsored domestic and international travel for at least the next 60 days. None of the physicians get to go to their big meeting at the end of the month. My bosses don't get to go to New Orleans in April. And I have to cancel my trip to Wisconsin in May.

Oh, but we're allowed to go to the Knicks game today. LOL
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Perspective on March 04, 2020, 09:20:51 PM
Yeah, my company has banned all non-essential travel and cancelled a bunch of external events.

Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: charlie on March 05, 2020, 11:09:26 AM
I mean, it sucks, but also let's hope it saves a few lives of elderly or immuno-compromised folks.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 05, 2020, 06:19:01 PM
I have to stop looking at my portfolio because I feel like crying. Holy shit what a roller coaster
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: micah on March 05, 2020, 09:33:08 PM
see, this is why I don't have a 401k  :lol:
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on March 06, 2020, 09:35:50 AM
We are starting the deployment of our new system in a month and this week I raised the sickness that has been going through the office plus the COVID issue as a yellow flag.  So now we are preparing for our contingency if we have to close the office and have everyone work from home.  Could be a fun time
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: micah on March 06, 2020, 02:02:00 PM
Our CEO sent out a memo today; no business travel; anyone with a temperature over 100.4 is not permitted on premises.  Vendors/Contractords/Customers must be vetted before being allowed to visit.

Seems like a little overkill but then again, last week we had 30+ out sick (with a common cold and/or the flu.)  Thats about 10% of this location and, since most of them are in the manufacturing area, it's more like a 12-15% loss in working capacity.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: ober on March 06, 2020, 03:09:55 PM
Yeah, we got a similar letter at work and the schools have ramped up as well.  Kids must wait 48 hours after a fever ends to return to school and they are doing a deep cleaning of all the schools. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on March 06, 2020, 03:33:39 PM
Saw this on Reddit this morning: https://act.nationalnursesunited.org/page/-/files/graphics/NU-Quarantine-RN-press-conf-statement.pdf

Sounds like the feds are just do a fantastic job managing this /s
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Perspective on March 06, 2020, 03:38:31 PM
Our offices in Seattle and San Fran are now basically closed. All employees have been told to work from home if possible.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 06, 2020, 05:08:00 PM
Saw this on Reddit this morning: https://act.nationalnursesunited.org/page/-/files/graphics/NU-Quarantine-RN-press-conf-statement.pdf

Sounds like the feds are just do a fantastic job managing this /s

this is on par with anything the government does. Top down, starting with Trump, the handling of this (or mis-handling) is pretty horrible - and it WILL get much worse before it gets better. If you listen to the experts, many are saying this virus has the potential to be as wide spread as the Spanish flu - sure, it is 100 years later, and our medicine is much more advanced, and not nearly as many people will die - but just as many might get infected.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: charlie on March 08, 2020, 01:51:01 PM
We are starting the deployment of our new system in a month and this week I raised the sickness that has been going through the office plus the COVID issue as a yellow flag.  So now we are preparing for our contingency if we have to close the office and have everyone work from home.  Could be a fun time

EGUSD already closing for this week due to COVID-19. Better prepare soon.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on March 08, 2020, 01:55:45 PM
Saw that on Reddit.  The other districts aren't closing and the county said that EGUSD didn't consult them.  So /shrug on what the real story is.

Fortunately, we do independent study and home schooling so we could close the office without stopping all educational activities.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 09, 2020, 04:21:33 PM
good thing I moved all my stuff to money market on Friday - holy shit.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: micah on March 09, 2020, 07:33:39 PM
meh, it'll rebound soon enough.  Low oil prices will boost the economy and eventually the corona virus will wean out.... things will stabilize and probably peak higher than before.... I predict all before the election.

that said, I have no skin (or money) in the game. LOL.  My 401k starts next month...guess I'll be buying low ;)
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: ahanson on March 09, 2020, 09:41:20 PM
Relatively low, I'm guessing this is going to get a bit worse before it gets any better. And the chances of this lasting a while are pretty good I think. So I hope nobody here was really looking forward to retiring in the next couple years.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on March 09, 2020, 10:04:13 PM
Sacramento county updated their advisories.  They are moving from containment to mitigation.  They are no longer recommending the 14 day quarantine upon exposure to with COVID-19.  Just normal "wash your damn hands, stay the fuck home if you are sick, don't call 911 unless you are literally in an emergency" (anger translation mine).

https://www.saccounty.net/news/latest-news/Pages/County-Announces-New-Mitigation-Efforts-COVID-19.aspx
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: charlie on March 10, 2020, 01:47:37 AM
Odd given that there seems to be some possibility that you can be contagious without exhibiting symptoms.

Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: ober on March 10, 2020, 09:23:02 AM
Ohio is now in a state of emergency.  3 reported cases in Cuyahoga County (Cleveland, basically).  My management team just met yesterday to ask if there was anything preventing us from having everyone WFH for several weeks.  So that's happening. 

I am not changing anything financially.  One of my clients on the side is a financial advisor and also said to stay the course in his most recent email to his clients.  Everyone freaking out just makes everyone else freak out.  Calm down and don't do anything irrational.  This too shall pass.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 10, 2020, 05:29:42 PM
nice comeback today - hopefully this continues throughout the week.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on March 10, 2020, 07:30:46 PM
I'm soooo excited for you.  I'm sure the people who are sick really care about your portfolio /s
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 10, 2020, 08:34:33 PM
you're a real bitch lately, Mike.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: ober on March 10, 2020, 09:50:39 PM
I can see both sides of it so I will ask you both to maybe take a breather?  Mike, you've been super harsh lately.  We've gotten in heated debates on here but you've sort of been off the charts in attack mode lately, especially with Jake (or mainly solely with Jake).  Jake, your comments about your financials in a thread about the virus when the rest of us are talking about keeping people safe aren't completely out of line but it does come off a little aloof and out of touch.  Just FYI.  I'll leave your political thoughts alone.  You're entitled to your opinions.  And frankly, I think it's healthy to have differing opinions on here.  If we all thought the same way it would be boring.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 10, 2020, 10:53:08 PM
This is a thread about the virus - no matter what it affects. Economy and the stock market is one of those things. My 401K and other investments, as well as millions of other people's took a huge hit in the past week - I think that is a topic worth exploring.
I mean, holy shit, I lost a lot of money! But that doesn't mean I don't feel for the people that are sick.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: ober on March 11, 2020, 12:09:46 AM
I said it wasn't completely out of line.  I just think Mike is already triggered by you for some reason.  Just giving you reasons why he lost his shit?  I'm not trying to start anything with you.  No need to be defensive.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: charlie on March 11, 2020, 02:04:56 AM
If we all thought the same way it would be boring.

Meh, on the political front it is pretty boring because most people don't really want to talk about what they think. And honestly it's not my place to say they're wrong on that, but it's not like we have any good discussions on about politics.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: charlie on March 11, 2020, 02:27:42 AM
With what I'm reading I'm feeling like being proactive and canceling or postponing events is the right way to go. Obviously that's a hardship for some but I think in the long run it will save lives.

Saw some info today about how people tend to be more contagious early in the cycle (like maybe even before symptoms) and less contagious at the end (like maybe quarantine doesn't need to last as long).

Also, I think the idea is that we should be making decisions now based on what we expect to be true in a couple weeks, because all the information is a week or two behind. We still don't have nearly enough testing capability even though we've had months to prepare and weeks since it was clear it was needed. Everywhere in the U.S. that has reported cases has seen numbers that get bigger and bigger on a daily basis. If your case load keeps doubling every few days and there are a bunch of people infected that don't show symptoms yet or haven't been tested, then guess what, you have a ton more cases than actually being reported and the number is going to keep going up unless you stop people who don't realize they're contagious from infecting other people.

If you have community transmission in your community, close shit down. If you have infected people even if not from community transmission, quarantine them and everybody they've been in contact with if you can. Slow the spread before you become Italy and your health care system is overwhelmed.

Edit: Just saw this article after posting: The Atlantic: Cancel Everything (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/coronavirus-cancel-everything/607675/) (4 free articles before subscription required)

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Because the United States has been extremely sluggish in testing patients for the coronavirus, the official tally of 604 likely represents a fraction of the real caseload. But even if we take this number at face value, it suggests that we should prepare to have up to 10 times as many cases a week from today, and up to 100 times as many cases two weeks from today.

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Meanwhile, the news from Italy, another country with a highly developed medical system, has so far been shockingly bad. In the affluent region of Lombardy, for example, there have been 7,375 confirmed cases of the virus as of Sunday. Of these patients, 622 had recovered, 366 had died, and the majority were still sick. Even under the highly implausible assumption that all of the still-sick make a full recovery, this would suggest a case fatality rate of 5 percent—significantly higher, not lower, than in China.
Note that 5% is 50 times worse than the flu.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: jkim on March 11, 2020, 09:38:24 AM
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Meanwhile, the news from Italy, another country with a highly developed medical system, has so far been shockingly bad. In the affluent region of Lombardy, for example, there have been 7,375 confirmed cases of the virus as of Sunday. Of these patients, 622 had recovered, 366 had died, and the majority were still sick. Even under the highly implausible assumption that all of the still-sick make a full recovery, this would suggest a case fatality rate of 5 percent—significantly higher, not lower, than in China.
Note that 5% is 50 times worse than the flu.

Yes, a heavily overwhelmed healthcare system is going to have higher fatality rates. I don't think 5% is quite representative of a true mortality rate though. I really liked this article although the the figures are a little out of date now.
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca


But basically it's the same conclusion. Reduce transmission and encourage social distancing.
(https://miro.medium.com/max/670/1*PZesaMfoPxgYJBoQVtpmjQ.gif)
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: jkim on March 11, 2020, 09:49:19 AM
Also, we had our first hospital scare and sent a sample out for testing last week. Thankfully it came back negative, but the state had to expand their qualifications for testing before we could actually send it. Staff are getting daily updates about everything and we have livestreams scheduled every Friday until the forseeable future. IT Staff are beginning a 50% staff WFH alternating weekly. I don't quite have that much luxury, but everyone is definitely ramping up their WFH.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on March 11, 2020, 10:02:34 AM
What I find absolutely insane are the stories of people breaking quarantine to go to mass gatherings.  Like, what the fuck is going through their head?
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: charlie on March 11, 2020, 11:08:14 AM
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Meanwhile, the news from Italy, another country with a highly developed medical system, has so far been shockingly bad. In the affluent region of Lombardy, for example, there have been 7,375 confirmed cases of the virus as of Sunday. Of these patients, 622 had recovered, 366 had died, and the majority were still sick. Even under the highly implausible assumption that all of the still-sick make a full recovery, this would suggest a case fatality rate of 5 percent—significantly higher, not lower, than in China.
Note that 5% is 50 times worse than the flu.

Yes, a heavily overwhelmed healthcare system is going to have higher fatality rates. I don't think 5% is quite representative of a true mortality rate though.

Agreed. That's really just one part of Italy whose health care system is already overwhelmed. Still, the fatality rate I've seen estimated is still between 1% and 3.5%, which still super high compared to flu's 0.1%.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 11, 2020, 11:24:19 AM


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Meanwhile, the news from Italy, another country with a highly developed medical system, has so far been shockingly bad. In the affluent region of Lombardy, for example, there have been 7,375 confirmed cases of the virus as of Sunday. Of these patients, 622 had recovered, 366 had died, and the majority were still sick. Even under the highly implausible assumption that all of the still-sick make a full recovery, this would suggest a case fatality rate of 5 percent—significantly higher, not lower, than in China.
Note that 5% is 50 times worse than the flu.

makes you wonder how skewed the data from China was/is - they are reporting a lower death rate then we are seeing.

Also, did you guys see the numbers coming out of Russia - those guys are so fucked up. only 20 cases - yeah right.

With what I'm reading I'm feeling like being proactive and canceling or postponing events is the right way to go. Obviously that's a hardship for some but I think in the long run it will save lives.

agreed. But where do you draw the line? I reserved 3 days at a water park in a couple of weeks for Spring Break - I'm considering canceling that - but should I? I bet there will be many people from Chicago and Minneapolis. Or maybe they will all cancel and we'll have the place to our selves.

I also have some business travel scheduled for as soon as next week - I opted to drive (to Cleveland) in lieu of flying - but I am staying overnight at a hotel.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 11, 2020, 11:29:01 AM
I just think Mike is already triggered by you for some reason.

I could say something like: "doesn't take a lot to trigger a snowflake!" - but I won't  :nana:

peace&love  :afro:
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on March 11, 2020, 11:32:11 AM
Ok boomer
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: jkim on March 11, 2020, 12:32:30 PM
makes you wonder how skewed the data from China was/is - they are reporting a lower death rate then we are seeing.

There was a point in the article I linked. China locked down like crazy. Hubei converged at about 5%. The rest of China converged at .9%
(https://miro.medium.com/max/3134/1*14hmTh1TCfscKI1BgCHwng.png)
(https://miro.medium.com/max/3266/1*pDV9FhbWw7eZbxT_4LIfRg.png)
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: charlie on March 11, 2020, 01:13:11 PM
I just think Mike is already triggered by you for some reason.

I could say something like: "doesn't take a lot to trigger a snowflake!" - but I won't  :nana:

peace&love  :afro:

Lol I almost made a snowflake joke at the expense of the people who don't want to discuss their political positions but I thought nah... :p
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: charlie on March 11, 2020, 01:14:19 PM
With what I'm reading I'm feeling like being proactive and canceling or postponing events is the right way to go. Obviously that's a hardship for some but I think in the long run it will save lives.

agreed. But where do you draw the line? I reserved 3 days at a water park in a couple of weeks for Spring Break - I'm considering canceling that - but should I? I bet there will be many people from Chicago and Minneapolis. Or maybe they will all cancel and we'll have the place to our selves.

I also have some business travel scheduled for as soon as next week - I opted to drive (to Cleveland) in lieu of flying - but I am staying overnight at a hotel.

I think there's a difference between individual behavior and community behavior. You want to try to avoid getting infected partly for yourselves and families but also to help slow the spread. But on an individual level I personally don't see a lot of risk with a business trip unless there is an outbreak. A family water park trip is more iffy since there are a lot of people there altogether.

To me the more important thing is for the community leaders to identify when it seems reasonable that the virus has entered that community and when it has, seriously consider canceling or postponing events and closing large gathering spots (like a water park). If it's open and you don't have any reason to think there is active infections in that area and you don't have any reason to think your family has been in contact with an infected person, then I wouldn't say you're wrong to go to the park. I'd probably skip it just to be safe, though.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on March 11, 2020, 01:21:19 PM
There is also a critical mass element.  A gathering of 10s of thousands from all across the globe is a lot different than hundreds from the local community.  Cancelling things like GDC, SXSW, Emerald Comic Con, etc all make a lot of sense.  They gather a large number of people from a large region.  I wouldn't cancel a local D&D con that only pulls in the local community unless there was a clear directive to do so.  A former coworker has a cruise scheduled in a few weeks down to Mexico.  I personally wouldn't go.  Again, too many people from too far of a region.

But, if work needed me to go to SF to meet with a vendor I'd probably do like Jake and drive over.  Work still needs to get done.  So I'll do it in a way that reduces my exposure and potential spread.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on March 11, 2020, 01:48:38 PM
I don't quite have that much luxury, but everyone is definitely ramping up their WFH.
One of the best jokes/observations I saw was basically "Now we get to find out which meetings really could have been an email"
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Perspective on March 11, 2020, 02:13:41 PM
I just got a cold... so now I feel like a leper. If I cough in public I'm going to get stink-eyed to death.

on the other hand, I could have the virus for all I know (please disinfect after reading my post).

For now I'm working from home. Even if it's not COVID 19 it's better not to spread whatever it is I have to my co-workers.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 11, 2020, 02:19:43 PM
I just got a cold... so now I feel like a leper. If I cough in public I'm going to get stink-eyed to death.

on the other hand, I could have the virus for all I know (please disinfect after reading my post).

For now I'm working from home. Even if it's not COVID 19 it's better not to spread whatever it is I have to my co-workers.

get well soon!

they say it's more appropriate to fart in public now than it is to cough.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on March 11, 2020, 02:39:36 PM
Wait, farting in public wasn't appropriate?  What am I suppose to do, hold it?

I feel ya, I'm just getting over a cold and the first day of symptoms was spent waiting at an airport.  Fortunately, I wasn't coughing theb
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 11, 2020, 04:40:57 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZFhjMQrVts
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 11, 2020, 05:02:21 PM
WHO just called it a pandemic - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/11/world/coronavirus-news.html
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on March 11, 2020, 10:24:25 PM
Trump has suspended travel to Europe: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/11/coronavirus-trump-suspends-all-travel-from-europe.html
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 11, 2020, 11:11:46 PM
Trump has suspended travel to Europe: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/11/coronavirus-trump-suspends-all-travel-from-europe.html

yeah, holy shit. that's major.

is marshall law not far away if this shit doesn't stop. Here is hoping it gets unseasonably warm quick!
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on March 11, 2020, 11:38:54 PM
And the NBA has suspended the season.  Probably a good thing considering that they needs fans in seats to make money.

marshall law
Martial law

Trump has suspended travel to Europe: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/11/coronavirus-trump-suspends-all-travel-from-europe.html

yeah, holy shit. that's major.

is marshall law not far away if this shit doesn't stop. Here is hoping it gets unseasonably warm quick!
Wasn't travel suspended after the 9/11 attacks for awhile?

NOOOOO, it got Tom Hanks (https://twitter.com/tomhanks/status/1237909897020207104)
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: micah on March 12, 2020, 06:24:38 AM
Our school's are sending home a 14-day "work from home" packet today and, while the have not closed the schools yet, there's is talk that a 2-week shut down is eminent. Especially if any other town in our county does first.   Thats gonna suck for child-care purposes.  My girlfriend got a robocall yesterday from her sons school that a teacher had been "in contact" with someone with the virus... but they didn't say which teacher.

Meanwhile, we have a mysterious meeting schedule at work today for all front-office staff.  Not sure what that's about. Guess I'll find out.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: micah on March 12, 2020, 06:29:50 AM
NOOOOO, it got Tom Hanks (https://twitter.com/tomhanks/status/1237909897020207104)

Really interested to see how their recovery goes.  I think this is the first prominent case of a celebrity, no?  I would think, if they both make full recoveries in a timely manner, it will help alleviate some public fears and reinforce the whole "80% can just treat themselves at home and only 1-3% of cases result in death."  But then again, if one of them dies, I think it will contribute to the public panic significantly; especially in the media.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: ober on March 12, 2020, 08:44:42 AM
I suspect schools will be closed here as early as tomorrow but definitely next week.  Rumor is that the only reason it hasn't happened yet is that the governor of Ohio is trying to clear red tape around school absences or something.  There have now been reports of kids in schools in the area being exposed to it or testing positive. 

There is a letter circulating from someone in Italy talking about how bad things really are there and how much worse it could get.  Doctors are basically doing war-time triage to determine who is going to get a ventilator.  That's some scary shit!
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on March 12, 2020, 10:00:20 AM
One thing to keep in mind with schools is that for some kids it is a major source of nutrition.  So when determining to close or not that is being taken into account.  In Nov 18 when there was that major fire in Paradise (the Camp Fire) schools closed for a few days and they had to set up a way to get the kids who needed it the food.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Perspective on March 12, 2020, 10:40:08 AM
My company just asked all employees worldwide to work from home unless being in the office is an absolute necessity.

Next week is March break at my kids' schools. There hasn't been any talk of closing them as there's only been one confirmed case in our region (from someone who had returned from Italy).
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: charlie on March 12, 2020, 11:03:35 AM
WHO just called it a pandemic - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/11/world/coronavirus-news.html

A bunch of people did but most recently it was officially declared by the world health organization.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: charlie on March 12, 2020, 11:09:33 AM
One thing to keep in mind with schools is that for some kids it is a major source of nutrition.  So when determining to close or not that is being taken into account.  In Nov 18 when there was that major fire in Paradise (the Camp Fire) schools closed for a few days and they had to set up a way to get the kids who needed it the food.

Yeah, lots of bad effects of keeping everybody home. Not an easy decision. And of course there will almost certainly be a recession which makes stuff even harder.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: jkim on March 12, 2020, 02:29:17 PM
Some of the updates from work today:

a.   At the discretion of their direct supervisors, colleagues who can WFH will be encouraged to do so whenever possible.  If you qualify for WFH, you will hear more about this from your manager. We also encourage you to conduct meetings virtually whenever possible.  (this was already pretty much put into place last week)

b.   Commute transport.  [The Hospital] is contracting to provide multiple dedicated buses, initially for colleagues who commute to the Main Campus from [surrounding areas].  The buses have a capacity of 56 passengers but we will limit riders to 25, and ask that passengers sit separately.

c.   Child care support.  [The Hospital] is contracting with a proven service to provide in-home and facility-based care across the tri-state area.  More information will be provided in tomorrow’s update.


I'm very impressed with this response.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: micah on March 12, 2020, 02:39:19 PM
Similar info as jKim from my employer.   For us front-office people, we're encouraged to work from home.  For the labor workers (the bulk of the company) it has been made clear that they should not worry about staying home if they are sick or have been exposed to anyone who is sick. This includes being allowed to borrow against and use un-accrued PTO time.

Meanwhile, my town followed suite with the state and just declared a public emergency and, as previously reported, kids are  coming home from school today with work packets to supposedly keep them busy for up to 2 weeks.  The presumption is that the school can/will close as early as tomorrow or next Monday.  For at least a 2 week period.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: ober on March 12, 2020, 04:31:23 PM
Our governer just announced schools in Ohio will be closed for 3 weeks starting Monday.

On the flip side, my company has said anyone that feels uncomfortable CAN WFH but they have yet to step up and say it is encouraged.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on March 12, 2020, 04:47:18 PM
Since we are weeks away from launch, my boss is talking to his boss about the programmers WFH.  It needs to go one level higher but it looks like we are going to have our contractors WFH full time and then maintain a skeleton crew onsite.  Management is still so worried about us providing coverage even thought it is really rare we do anything like that.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: micah on March 12, 2020, 09:16:54 PM
School in my town is officially closed "indefinitely" effective immediately, per the 6pm robo-call I got.  I talked to my brother who lives a little north of Indianapolis and his son's school is closed too.

It's weird how so much of this feels like the days after 9/11, but without all the sadness, patriotism or anger.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: micah on March 12, 2020, 10:04:25 PM
Is the toilet paper shortage in your area as well, or is this a regional problem?
Everywhere is sold out - super markets, walmart... i'm down to one roll.  This is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: charlie on March 12, 2020, 10:53:03 PM
We did buy a few extra things a few weeks ago, including toilet paper, and there was still plenty of stuff. But the events of the last couple days might have changed that.

Time to learn how to use a tabo.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on March 12, 2020, 10:57:18 PM
I just got a bidet attachment for the master bath.

Our church just cancelled all events based on the governor's proclamation and the DHS advisories.  The state is also relaxing some of the rules surrounding the Brown act to allow for easier setup of teleconference meetings.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: micah on March 12, 2020, 11:00:45 PM
Our church just cancelled all events

a reminder, if you give regularly to your church*, make sure you continue to do so when not attending.**  Their general operating budget and community involvement is depending on you


*i do not
** I don't do this either
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on March 12, 2020, 11:11:04 PM
Our pledges are taken out monthly.

I do wonder what will happen to this month's community partner.  We split the Sunday offering with an different organization per month.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 12, 2020, 11:44:04 PM
Is the toilet paper shortage in your area as well, or is this a regional problem?
Everywhere is sold out - super markets, walmart... i'm down to one roll.  This is ridiculous.

I think everyone around here is out. Here is a suggestion: flush-able wet wipes. Get them tonight or tomorrow morning because I'm sure they will be gone once people start thinking that way. Walmart has a good deal on the 5 pack.

Another suggestion, if you can go take out some cash from the bank - another week of negative gains on the Street and people will be doing a run on banks. Cash will be king again.

Bear minimum, Micah - go get some ramen so that it can last you 2 or 3 weeks - but I hear they are getting short on that as well.

I am of the mind set that it is better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.

Some things us boys might not think about: female hygiene products. Tampons can serve multiple purposes.

Toothpaste. Shampoo. Shit like that is important too.

Essential medicine - stock up - this will run out next. If your life depends on it  - make sure you have plenty - I would say 6 months worth.

I doubt it will come to the point that we will "run out" of water - this is far reaching, but hey, have about a 100L handy.

And once you have water and some dry food, ensure you have an alternate way to heat it.

Ammo - whatever makes you comfortable - but it doesn't get old and it doesn't need to be fed.

Speaking of feeding - if you have pets, get food for them for at least a month.

I dunno, even some of my friends (and my wife!) make fun of me for "prepping" - but damn, it sure does make me feel comfortable now. And my wife is thankful too.

Its still not too late - I think you still have at least a week to get your shit in order and your family ready. You don't want to be reliant on the government in times of need.

Power generation and fuel - again, highly unlikely that we will not have power, but there are other situations like bad storms, that knock out our power once or twice a year. A generator is a very practical thing to have. Even a small one to run your fridge and sump pump (in my case). But if you have a generator make sure you have plenty of gas.

I can talk about this shit all day. Let me know if you need some other suggestions.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: ober on March 12, 2020, 11:54:21 PM
Our kids school is closed starting Monday through April 3rd.  And then they WILL have their normal spring break at the end of that.  So literally a month off of school.  Crazy.  This is getting nuts.  We got groceries tonight.  We are pretty stocked up.  We had toilet paper from a BJs run a bit ago.  I think we're good but if things get crazy we will need to stock up again in about 2 weeks on some stuff.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on March 12, 2020, 11:54:57 PM
I think everyone around here is out. Here is a suggestion: flush-able wet wipes. Get them tonight or tomorrow morning because I'm sure they will be gone once people start thinking that way. Walmart has a good deal on the 5 pack.

Everything I've seen has said the flushable wipes really shouldn't be flushed.  They don't break up well enough and will still cause clogs.

Better than nothing for a short amount of time though.

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Bear minimum, Micah - go get some ramen so that it can last you 2 or 3 weeks - but I hear they are getting short on that as well.
Bare minimum: The smallest possible quantity or the least fulfilling, but still adequate, condition that is required, acceptable, or suitable for some purpose.

Bear minimum: The smallest bear

Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on March 12, 2020, 11:57:47 PM
So, awhile ago I stumbled on a Youtube channel about 18th century cooking.  And while I haven't gone hard core on watching it I have been more keen on it with what is going on.

Like, here is a really simple recipe from 1808:
Take an onion, leave the skins on, and roast it.  Consume with salt and maybe some butter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV9spqCzSkQ
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: KnuckleBuckett on March 13, 2020, 06:11:27 AM
Townsed rocks.  The vids can be a little too shallow sometimes but they are all pretty good.  He recommends some cool reads.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: jkim on March 13, 2020, 09:02:07 AM
Our county's schools are closed for 2 weeks starting this coming Monday. I'm not sure about Spring Break (April 10-17).

Our daycare usually follows suit for emergency school closings (snow) but still no word on what they might do. The whole facility is YMCA, so I'm afraid if the gym/community center part of it closes or reduces capacity that the daycare part will also have to do so.


Our church is moving to online services (sermons) for the next 3 weeks because the college we rent from is pausing classes and thus access to buildings to outside renters. And my giving is all done online anyway which I do not intend on suspending unless I'm on an unpaid furlough.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Perspective on March 13, 2020, 10:56:04 AM
Our schools are closed for three weeks as well, although next week is actually march break so it's only two weeks of closure.

And yeah, toilet paper is totally cleared out from all stores. Luckily have a full pack un-opened and I ordered an extra from Amazon. It should have been delivered yesterday, but I can see at least it's shipped.

My daughters birthday party is tomorrow... we've been debating if we should cancel, but being that the kids are all in school today it doesn't seem like it's much worse for a few of them to get together tomorrow.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: micah on March 13, 2020, 04:19:35 PM
I think you should have the party, but go over the top to show the kids and their parents that you're doing your best to mitigate viral transmissions.  Have hand sanitizer out, and lysol wipes on the tables.  Serve the cake (perhaps with gloves) and don't let individuals get their own food out of communal bowls etc.

I don't think it would be out of line to ask parents to not bring any child who is currently ill of any cold/virus/flu symptoms.

Make everybody wash their hands before eating and after any activities. 

I think that should be the new normal going forward indefinitely.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Perspective on March 13, 2020, 04:26:59 PM
I think you should have the party, but go over the top to show the kids and their parents that you're doing your best to mitigate viral transmissions.  Have hand sanitizer out, and lysol wipes on the tables.  Serve the cake (perhaps with gloves) and don't let individuals get their own food out of communal bowls etc.

I don't think it would be out of line to ask parents to not bring any child who is currently ill of any cold/virus/flu symptoms.

Make everybody wash their hands before eating and after any activities. 

I think that should be the new normal going forward indefinitely.


Yeah, we're doing basically all of that. We've already emailed the parents and said it's fine if you don't want to come, we can do a playdate after the apocalypse. We've also said please don't come if you have meet any of the criteria the government laid out on their website (symptoms, contact with a sick person, travel to a level 3 zone, etc...). We luckily just got some hand sanitizer from my mother-in-law since it's not possible to buy it anywhere.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: micah on March 13, 2020, 04:30:15 PM
well handled!   and happy birthday to your daughter!
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on March 13, 2020, 07:11:08 PM
I think you should have the party, but go over the top to show the kids and their parents that you're doing your best to mitigate viral transmissions.  Have hand sanitizer out, and lysol wipes on the tables.  Serve the cake (perhaps with gloves) and don't let individuals get their own food out of communal bowls etc.

I don't think it would be out of line to ask parents to not bring any child who is currently ill of any cold/virus/flu symptoms.

Make everybody wash their hands before eating and after any activities. 

I think that should be the new normal going forward indefinitely.

Considering that kids are disease vectors on a good day that seems a good idea even without Covid.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on March 13, 2020, 07:19:32 PM
Our school district just closed the schools for students but still expect employees to go in.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 13, 2020, 07:34:42 PM
Illinois closed all schools through end of march
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: charlie on March 13, 2020, 11:00:28 PM
Same here. Teachers have to go in next week to work on plans for tele-teaching.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 14, 2020, 11:28:37 PM
We are starting quarantine tomorrow. Just have to get to the cabin, which means one gas stop - after that, we are keeping to ourselves for the next few weeks to see what happens.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: charlie on March 15, 2020, 12:47:24 AM
Thanks, Jake. That's a great idea since you have the option available.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on March 15, 2020, 12:50:57 AM
Yeah, a cabin in the woods sounds really good right now (and not just for COVID)
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: ober on March 15, 2020, 03:12:15 PM
The governor in Ohio is now saying schools may not open for the rest of the academic year.  Like holy shit.  I went to run some errands this morning and staples like bread, meat, and a few other things were almost completely gone.  This is crazy!
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 15, 2020, 03:48:19 PM
If shit continues to escalate like it is, I predict that the next thing will be a run on cash and gas. Prepare.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: charlie on March 15, 2020, 04:19:26 PM
I’m not so sure on cash and gas. Didn’t the fed just make moves to help prevent bank collapses? And with the Russia-Saudi Arabia oil price war thing I expect gas prices and availability to be fine.


On a separate note I went to a grocery store for the first time in a week. It was reasonably stocked but they were out of Spam and the entire aisle of toilet paper and paper towels and Kleenex wasn’t wiped out.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on March 15, 2020, 06:14:58 PM
I went yesterday and the bread was all but gone.

The one area I feel under prepared is fruits and veggies.  I almost always eat/consume fresh and I just don't know how to stock up several weeks worth without it going bad.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: jkim on March 15, 2020, 06:34:05 PM
Fed rate cut to 0.

NYC schools shutting down in-person classes until 4/20.

Hospital operations is suspending non-essential care. (I don't know what that means for me, but I know I'm already deemed essential staff.)

What a time.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on March 15, 2020, 06:45:29 PM
NYC schools shutting down in-person classes until 4/20.
Are they going to have a giant smoke out to celebrate?


We received word that our school is closing until 4/13.  Technically we are only closing 3 weeks since the week of 4/6 is spring break.  Our teachers are expected to meet virtually with families.  Even though we are an independent study school we are closing so that if the families need to take time to address any coronavirus issues they can do so without penalty.  The management meet yesterday to determine the game plan and the office staff is going in tomorrow to and will be told how it affects their department.  The programming team is going full telecommute most likely (that is what our manager said on Friday) and only two of us on the team are going in tomorrow and mainly to assist in distributing technology.


BTW, this article is pretty interesting: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/?utm_source=reddit.com
The data visualizing and the simulations were pretty cool
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 15, 2020, 07:56:51 PM
I’m not so sure on cash and gas. Didn’t the fed just make moves to help prevent bank collapses? And with the Russia-Saudi Arabia oil price war thing I expect gas prices and availability to be fine.

I think that gas will be "available" - but people that man the gas stations, and the truck drivers that deliver it, might not be available to do their jobs because of being quarantined. Whatever happens, I did fill up a 55 gallon drum today, just in case.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 15, 2020, 07:59:53 PM
Fed rate cut to 0.

kinda weird to think about it, but might be a good time to consider refinancing - I missed the first rate cut that ended early last week, but a 10 year mortgage was as low as 2.6!
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 15, 2020, 08:02:40 PM
The one area I feel under prepared is fruits and veggies.  I almost always eat/consume fresh and I just don't know how to stock up several weeks worth without it going bad.

Yes, I am thinking of this as well. We have some frozen, but that just isn't the same. I hope this doesn't last for a long time, but I will be starting a small aquaponics farm this week. Let me know if you want me to document it. Whatever happens, it will be a fun experiment.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on March 15, 2020, 08:42:57 PM
I did a hydroponics last year and we are about ready to start it up this year.  But that'll be tomato, squash, and herbs.  Leafy greens didn't do well last year and the system I have doesn't do well with root veggies like carrots and potatoes.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: charlie on March 15, 2020, 09:08:25 PM
I went yesterday and the bread was all but gone.

The one area I feel under prepared is fruits and veggies.  I almost always eat/consume fresh and I just don't know how to stock up several weeks worth without it going bad.

Frozen isn't fresh but it's just as nutritious and should keep for awhile.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on March 15, 2020, 10:35:51 PM
I went yesterday and the bread was all but gone.

The one area I feel under prepared is fruits and veggies.  I almost always eat/consume fresh and I just don't know how to stock up several weeks worth without it going bad.

Frozen isn't fresh but it's just as nutritious and should keep for awhile.


But the taste.  /snob

BTW Jake, a lesson I learned last year is to keep a spare pump and lots of spare chemicals.  The plants can go from great to terrible in a day if they don't have the water and chemicals (food).
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 15, 2020, 11:00:41 PM
I went yesterday and the bread was all but gone.

The one area I feel under prepared is fruits and veggies.  I almost always eat/consume fresh and I just don't know how to stock up several weeks worth without it going bad.

Frozen isn't fresh but it's just as nutritious and should keep for awhile.


But the taste.  /snob

BTW Jake, a lesson I learned last year is to keep a spare pump and lots of spare chemicals.  The plants can go from great to terrible in a day if they don't have the water and chemicals (food).

I will be doing aquaponics - so nutrients pre mixed in water.

BTW - how did you start your seedlings, did you do them in dirt?
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 15, 2020, 11:05:58 PM
How many of you have a generator? that would be a good thing to pick up whatever the case might be. Costco has a very nice two fuel unit that sometimes is on sale for like $500. Propane and regular gas fuel.

That's where I'm lacking - we have a generator, but it is relatively small and low power. Good enough to power a couple fridges and a water pump. If we don't end up selling the cabin I will be investing in solar and a better generator.

Also, once you have a generator, make sure you have plenty of extension cords and a way to power up various devices - like the furnace, for example.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 15, 2020, 11:08:45 PM
There is a run on ammo - if that matters to you - I wanted to pick up a few more boxes for my AK and couldn't find any last week. I placed an order online, it said it was in stock - I wonder when it will come.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on March 15, 2020, 11:40:58 PM
I will be doing aquaponics - so nutrients pre mixed in water.

BTW - how did you start your seedlings, did you do them in dirt?
I cheated and bought saplings then washed the dirt out of the roots before wrapping them in rockwool.  I plan on doing that again this year.  The kit I got does have a setup for growing seeds in rockwool with some stabilizer.  But you have to start that pretty early.

How many of you have a generator? that would be a good thing to pick up whatever the case might be. Costco has a very nice two fuel unit that sometimes is on sale for like $500. Propane and regular gas fuel.

That's where I'm lacking - we have a generator, but it is relatively small and low power. Good enough to power a couple fridges and a water pump. If we don't end up selling the cabin I will be investing in solar and a better generator.

Also, once you have a generator, make sure you have plenty of extension cords and a way to power up various devices - like the furnace, for example.
No generator here.  But at the same time it would take a massive natural disaster to take out power for a significant amount of time.  We just don't get the seasonal weather to warrant one.  We looked at one after moving in since we have the room but it just hasn't made sense yet.

A more long term investment might be roof solar panels and one of the Tesla house batteries.  In the aforementioned Camp Fire there was a house that lost power but had a solar setup.  They reported that they didn't dip below 60%.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: ober on March 16, 2020, 10:01:17 AM
Went to get groceries yesterday.  Bread was pretty much wiped out along with meats.  Plenty of veggies and fruits though.  Most of the stores around here have instituted a '1 per customer' limit on things like TP, sanitizers, etc.  So there was some of that stuff left.

The governor has already said the rest of the academic year may just be cancelled.  No official statement on that yet but he's thinking worst case.

We don't have a generator but I don't fear that being an issue.  This isn't due to a natural disaster and unless all the people that work in the power plants suddenly kick it, I don't think we have much to fear there.  I think we've lost power maybe twice in the 14 years that we've lived here and I think at least one of those times was due to a car accident.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on March 16, 2020, 10:11:16 AM
John Oliver was more useful than Trump's address: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_066dEkycr4
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 16, 2020, 11:08:08 AM
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I think we've lost power maybe twice in the 14 years that we've lived here

wow, we lose power twice a year! at least. Mainly during ice storms. Actually, we lose power more in Chicago than our cabin - isn't that about a bitch?
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: micah on March 16, 2020, 11:18:45 AM
Last night in Massachusetts, where my girlfriend lives, they closed all dine-in restaurants/bars for the next month.  They also prohibited any gathering greater than 25 people. Pretty sure that'll happen here in Connecticut soon.
At work, they told all front office staff that doesn't have to be here (like me) to stay home. Of course, I didn't read that memo and I'm here today. LOL.  But I had already planned to be out the next few days anyway.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: jkim on March 16, 2020, 02:05:14 PM
Pretty sure that'll happen here in Connecticut soon.
NY, NJ, CT announced together that non-essential businesses will close at 8pm and will be limiting gatherings to 50 people.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: micah on March 16, 2020, 02:08:08 PM
Pretty sure that'll happen here in Connecticut soon.
NY, NJ, CT announced together that non-essential businesses will close at 8pm and will be limiting gatherings to 50 people.

yeah, i saw that about 10 minutes after I posted. LOL.  I get it...but it sucks.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: ober on March 16, 2020, 02:18:09 PM
@Jake - that sucks.  I know other people in the area that aren't so lucky but our power has been wildly consistent even in the worst of storms.

The restrictions on bars/restaurants and travel apply to Ohio as well.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: micah on March 16, 2020, 03:37:42 PM
so, asking for a friend... how do you feed your kids if you eat out every night and can't cook at home?
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on March 16, 2020, 04:05:37 PM
So, the CDC is saying that school closures don't have an impact: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/considerations-for-school-closure.pdf
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on March 16, 2020, 04:15:53 PM
so, asking for a friend... how do you feed your kids if you eat out every night and can't cook at home?
Is the friend:

1. Unknowledgeable about cooking?
2. Missing the equipment to cook?
3. Unmotivated to cook?
4. Other?

#2 is hard because without some basic equipment cooking at home really sucks.  #1 can be solved by reading recipes and youtube videos.  Just look for beginner recipes.  #3 is probably a much bigger conversation.

Roasting veggies isn't hard:
1. Oven to 350 - 400
2. Cut veggies and drizzle olive oil and season with salt and pepper
3. Put in oven for 30 minutes turning once halfway through.  Adjust time based on how done you like things.

That basic recipe can be used for broccoli, carrots, asparagus, potatoes (cut into small pieces), and more.

Meat (beef, chicken, pork) basic recipe:
1. Skillet to medium heat
2. Season meat with salt and pepper (or other seasonings if you have them)
3. When pan is hot add olive oil and let that heat up.
4. Add meat to pan turning every 3-4 minutes (to keep a side from burning) until done.

I'd say about half my dinners are some variant of that.  For kids picky kids I have no idea sorry.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: charlie on March 16, 2020, 04:23:02 PM
Roasted veggies are delicious. Highly recommend.

For the less motivated among us, they sell vegetables in a bag (frozen or fresh) that you can microwave for 5 minutes and my kids actually eat them. They're lower on flavor and you sometimes need to give them an extra minute so they're soft enough for your kids to like, but I've found it to be a great option.

Similarly, in the food board we've had discussions about what we eat and a lot of those suggestions still apply, including easy to prepare frozen stuff from Trader Joe's (teriyaki chicken is a current favorite). Be careful with too much of the frozen dinner stuff because a lot of it is really unhealthy (frozen pizzas) so more than once or twice a week is probably not ideal. Generally I find Trader Joe's's stuff to be not too bad in that department.

Finally, most restaurants that you used to eat at are still open for take out food, so if you must you can still order take out.

 
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on March 16, 2020, 05:04:05 PM
BTW the https://www.mccormick.com/spices-and-flavors/herbs-and-spices/blends/perfect-pinch-vegetable-seasoning is a great general purpose seasoning for vegetables that need a bit of something.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: ober on March 16, 2020, 05:37:03 PM
So, the CDC is saying that school closures don't have an impact: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/considerations-for-school-closure.pdf
I think your understanding of that document and my understanding are different.  I read that short term closures don't have a big impact but the jury is still out on longer closures.  Also, that document contradicts itself by saying school closures aren't as effective as social isolation.... but in a lot of ways they are the same.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: ober on March 16, 2020, 05:42:25 PM
Also: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/?utm_source=reddit.com
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on March 16, 2020, 06:18:57 PM
So, the CDC is saying that school closures don't have an impact: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/considerations-for-school-closure.pdf
I think your understanding of that document and my understanding are different.  I read that short term closures don't have a big impact but the jury is still out on longer closures.  Also, that document contradicts itself by saying school closures aren't as effective as social isolation.... but in a lot of ways they are the same.
Yeah I read the bit about longer closures.  But considering all I'm hearing about is 3 week closures and the document talked about as a short term closure I didn't think the differentiation is needed.

Also: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/?utm_source=reddit.com
Loved that article and simulators.

I'm on board with the closures even if the evidence isn't strong.  As one superintendent said (paraphrasing) "We will never know if we did too much, we'll definitely know if we did too little"
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 16, 2020, 09:56:30 PM
so, asking for a friend... how do you feed your kids if you eat out every night and can't cook at home?

I think you can still do delivery and carry out, can't you?

I also wanted to point you to this https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003OB4D46/
but they are all sold out. holy shit! Ramen is sold out
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 16, 2020, 09:59:22 PM
so, asking for a friend... how do you feed your kids if you eat out every night and can't cook at home?
Is the friend:

1. Unknowledgeable about cooking?
2. Missing the equipment to cook?
3. Unmotivated to cook?
4. Other?

#2 is hard because without some basic equipment cooking at home really sucks.  #1 can be solved by reading recipes and youtube videos.  Just look for beginner recipes.  #3 is probably a much bigger conversation.

Roasting veggies isn't hard:
1. Oven to 350 - 400
2. Cut veggies and drizzle olive oil and season with salt and pepper
3. Put in oven for 30 minutes turning once halfway through.  Adjust time based on how done you like things.

That basic recipe can be used for broccoli, carrots, asparagus, potatoes (cut into small pieces), and more.

Meat (beef, chicken, pork) basic recipe:
1. Skillet to medium heat
2. Season meat with salt and pepper (or other seasonings if you have them)
3. When pan is hot add olive oil and let that heat up.
4. Add meat to pan turning every 3-4 minutes (to keep a side from burning) until done.

I'd say about half my dinners are some variant of that.  For kids picky kids I have no idea sorry.

That is a good post. the only thing I would change is cooking meat on olive oil - olive oil should not get very hot, and at least when I cook most meat, I like the temperature pretty high. Use vegetable oil or something like that instead.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 16, 2020, 10:00:39 PM
For the less motivated among us, they sell vegetables in a bag (frozen or fresh) that you can microwave for 5 minutes and my kids actually eat them. They're lower on flavor and you sometimes need to give them an extra minute so they're soft enough for your kids to like, but I've found it to be a great option.

and add a teaspoon of butter - mmmmm
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 16, 2020, 10:02:35 PM
I'm thawing out some rainbow trout I got last October and we'll have a fish fry tomorrow. Coupled with some 'slaw.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on March 16, 2020, 11:35:31 PM
I cook most things on medium or lower heat so olive oil works great for me.  I feel like I get more consistent results that way.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: KnuckleBuckett on March 17, 2020, 06:06:46 AM
Can't sear on medium to low heat...

Two excellent channels for us carnivores.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfE5Cz44GlZVyoaYTHJbuZw

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpFuaxD-0PKLolFR3gWhrMw
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on March 17, 2020, 08:48:25 AM
Let's not turn this into a food thread.  That said, the medium setting on my range with my pans produce the cooking results I'm happy with.  And for a novice cook I would always recommend a slower but more forgiving process.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on March 17, 2020, 07:40:34 PM
Looks like the CA Legislature passed an emergency funding bill for schools.  They are shifting the attendance date for the second half of the year from mid April to end of February if the school closed in terms with the executive order.  It also says the intent is that schools pays their employees and contractors as would if they hadn't closed.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 17, 2020, 08:45:58 PM
my wife's job gave everyone an additional 80 hours of PTO - whether they need it during this time or not.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on March 17, 2020, 09:28:31 PM
That's awesome.

On the local subreddit some of the city workers are saying they have to burn PTO if they are unable to work from home (which not everyone is) and if they run out they have to go leave without pay.  Which means they'll be charged for their benefits.  That is beyond fucked up.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 17, 2020, 11:09:29 PM
https://youtu.be/tmhsNdW24BM

If you have a short attention span start at 13:55
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: jkim on March 18, 2020, 06:39:23 AM
The imperial college study that turned a lot of the response around: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1239975682643357696.html
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 18, 2020, 06:51:06 AM
The imperial college study that turned a lot of the response around: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1239975682643357696.html

That's what the video I linked to talks about as well
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: jkim on March 18, 2020, 08:47:39 AM
The imperial college study that turned a lot of the response around: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1239975682643357696.html

That's what the video I linked to talks about as well

From what I heard, that's what I thought as well, but the video is reaalllly long.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 18, 2020, 09:18:53 AM
The imperial college study that turned a lot of the response around: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1239975682643357696.html

That's what the video I linked to talks about as well

From what I heard, that's what I thought as well, but the video is reaalllly long.

it is. I almost fell asleep twiced last night while listening to it :D but the guy seems to be pretty spot on since this thing started
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on March 18, 2020, 10:25:15 AM
The article was much much better than the video.

tl;dr / tl;dw: So, we're all fucked for a good long while.

On a positive note, it looks like the oldest boomers are ignoring the most of the advice and still going out.  So, they'll die off and stop holding us back.  (/evil /s)
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on March 18, 2020, 11:23:23 AM
So we have a new hire that just hasn't ramped up to the level we want and the contractors we've hired at about the same time have.  So, we were seriously considering letting him go.  But now, that  just kind of sucks even more.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 19, 2020, 09:41:14 PM
How are your kids' doing while at home? Our school started e-Learning this Tuesday and so far so good! my son's teacher(s) are doing an awesome job. My daughter's teacher is a little older (but not much, maybe like 7/10 years older than me) and she is doing OK. My son's instructions each morning are quite detailed and many activities are "interactive". My daughter basically has a list of 5 to 7 things she needs to do. Each day it takes them between 3 to 5 hours to complete everything (including the "may-do" assignments) - they seem to like it. And so do I. We are treating each day like it would be regular school. They get up at the same time, have breakfast, get dressed and start school around 9. Then I make them at noon and they go out side (not today because it was raining/sleeting).

Looks like this will be the norm through April - at least that is what Chicago public schools just announced and the suburban districts often follow what CPS does. I anticipate that they will not go to school for the rest of the school year.

How does it look in your neck of the woods?
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 19, 2020, 09:43:13 PM
We have fiber here at the cabin, and I was paying for the lowest bandwidth - but with everyone using it now, it was not enough - a quick phone call, and $24 more a month and we are at double the speed almost with a snap! sweet.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: micah on March 19, 2020, 09:50:27 PM
we're still holding at "through the end of march" for school...but the national trend is obviously increasing that.  My brother's in Indianpolis and his whole state is now May 1st for a return date.

I'm supposed to be visiting my parents with the girls for easter. Its only a 5 hour drive....but they're thinking of canceling.  Plus, they see all this stuff on facebook and are pretty much convinced that by then, the whole nation will be locked down and you wont be able to cross state borders. 

part of me wants to roll my eyes and assume they're crazy....but then again, all of this is so freaking crazy already.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on March 19, 2020, 09:59:05 PM
The CA governor made a comment that we should be prepared for schools not to return until after the summer.  While we don't know that will be for sure we are already preparing as though that will be the case.  I would think you'd want to at least have that in mind as well.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: charlie on March 19, 2020, 10:24:10 PM
Yeah, that's been our assumption for awhile as well. Obviously would be great if they re-opened this school year but I'm not holding my breath.

My kids are doing fine with distance learning. The older one is doing great.. ahead of schedule on her work. That's odd because she tends to be a procrastinator but I think it's just that the work is fairly easy at the moment so it is more like 2 hours of work instead of 3-5.

My younger one is treating this more like a sick day where she does 30 minutes of work then goofs off the rest of the day. We've got to nag her a bit more and now I'm going to have her write down all assignments so we can make sure she's keeping up. I'm not worried about her academically I just don't want her to get away with not doing the minimal amount of work here.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Perspective on March 20, 2020, 09:00:34 AM
Our schools aren't doing e-learning (well, at least for my daughter in grad 1). My wife put together a detailed daily schedule with a mix of academic activities, outside play, piano practice, etc...  My daughter is also writing a daily journal about what they do on the morning walk. It's really good but hard to keep them to it. My wife takes it really seriously while I'm a bit more relaxed (which is a problem)...

My kids need activities or they go insane. So keeping them busy is good.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: ober on March 20, 2020, 10:21:42 AM
Our kids have a few hours of work per day to do.  They've been pretty good about it, especially my daughter... who, like charlie's daughter, tends to be a procrastinator.  I've got them both setup in the basement with computers and they don't like all the work but they're doing it.  I don't know what's going to happen so we're just assuming it will be like this for a while and we're trying to form a routine.  They definitely spend a fair amount of time watching YouTube or playing games but they're doing more learning and school work than I expected.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Perspective on March 20, 2020, 10:34:17 AM
https://neherlab.org/covid19/
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 20, 2020, 11:01:43 AM
trying to form a routine. 

routine will be key. Kids, whether they know it or not, like routine. There is safety in routine. They have routine at school. So instituting routine at home during this time will be very important for the success of eLearning.

My daughter's SEL (social-emotional learning) assignment today was to do two chores - she washed the dishes after breakfast (we don't have a dish washer at the cabin) and vacuumed. Then she took pictures with her chrome book - bam! first assignment done.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 20, 2020, 11:24:48 AM
Yesterday I installed the pump on the fuel drum - made in the USA baby!
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 20, 2020, 04:17:01 PM
Illinois issues a stay at home order starting tomorrow afternoon until at least April 7th.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 21, 2020, 01:13:56 AM
Holy shit. Have you seen some of the car offers? Gmc is doing 84 months at 0 percent and home delivery on sierra 1500. Others are doing similar things
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on March 21, 2020, 10:05:12 AM
Thanks for the heads up.  We've been meaning to replace the wife's car.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: jkim on March 21, 2020, 08:07:13 PM
NJ has also placed a stay at home order effective today.

Annnnnd I'm still going into work.


We were totally looking at the car offers last week. Very tempting. We're probably going to hold out until there are offers with cash rebates
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 21, 2020, 09:45:39 PM
another thing that we can take advantage of now is the mortgage rates. We might refinance to 10 years - the rate was like 2.6 a few days ago
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 21, 2020, 10:56:35 PM
https://youtu.be/AoLw-Q8X174

Coincidence?
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: jkim on March 21, 2020, 11:31:20 PM
Oh jfc my co-worker's test came back positive
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 22, 2020, 12:04:17 AM
Oh jfc my co-worker's test came back positive

Oh shit. How close is this coworker. I guess it doesn't matter. Hang in there and keep us posted
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: ober on March 22, 2020, 01:33:59 AM
Oddly enough we refinanced right before all of this hit and got 2.875 on a 15 year.  I considered a 10 year but he said the rate wasn't any better.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: KnuckleBuckett on March 22, 2020, 05:14:35 AM
G'luck Jen.  Now what?

State is shutting lots of places my company has killed all facilities globally for a couple weeks except our lab.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: jkim on March 22, 2020, 10:59:36 AM
Coworker and I share an 8x10 office. I was initially advised by occupational health that I could come in if I'm asymptomatic but I think that was before they knew I had the ability to wfh. I asked about it and both of my bosses agreed that would be a good idea. By next week I'll have been clear from the 2 week incubation period and probably will go into work alternating with my coworker wfh so we don't have to share the same space again (this had been planned before his test result came back). I probably won't qualify to get testing anywhere unless I feel sick.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Perspective on March 22, 2020, 01:56:41 PM
That sucks jkim :(  It seems crazy that you can't just work from home full time...


In other news, I went to the grocery store today. It was pretty empty, though they did have a security guard at front with the intent of limiting the number of people in the store at a time. At the checkouts they were spacing people out so that they weren't lined up close together (though there were basically no lines while I was there).

They had tons of food. Fruits and veggies were almost overflowing off the shelves. Everything in stock except toilet paper and lysol wipes. They were low on pasta and frozen veggies, but had some. Lot's of meat and chicken. Overall, pretty easy to find everything we need.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: charlie on March 22, 2020, 04:51:44 PM
That sucks jkim :(  It seems crazy that you can't just work from home full time...

Agreed... like if you can work from home then you should be all the time regardless, but if your office mate tests positive?!
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 23, 2020, 12:58:26 PM
jen, update?
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: jkim on March 23, 2020, 01:49:00 PM
I personally feel fairly healthy, barring what appears to be seasonal allergies. Sauyee has a weird cough, but he almost always has a weird cough. None of us have fevers.

I work in a hospital so it's definitely very helpful if I'm there physically to do work. This week being home means I won't be able to do a lot of in-lab work without taking someone away from their regular full time job. Moving forward, my coworker and I will be alternating who works from home and works in the office so that at least one of us is around to handle any in-person triage. Additionally, I'll be taking a point to point hospital specific shuttle bus meaning no more public transport and transfers.

I'll be at work on Sunday for a 9AM upgrade and the following Monday to ensure the lab is still running as expected after the upgrade and to discuss future planning with my coworker if he's in then. I have no idea when he'll actually return to work though. Per CDC guidelines, he needs to feel better (no fever without use of fever-reducing meds and improvement of respiratory symptoms) for at least 3 days before being able to return to work.

Not sure what we're going to do with the toddler on days I'm going into work. Husband works from home 100% but it's hard for him to get work done with a toddler in his lap. At least when we're both home, we can alternate whose lap he's in.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on March 23, 2020, 09:08:36 PM
Feel like they should be testing him after those three days to ensure he still isn't shedding the virus before returning to work.  Especially at a hospital.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: jkim on March 24, 2020, 08:05:57 AM
The virus testing option is that he has 2 consecutive negatives over >24 hours without other symptoms.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on March 25, 2020, 09:02:13 AM
For those with kids, our school put together a Curriculum & Activity Resources for Virtual Learning spreadsheet that might be of use to you all: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zUWcmSRJaZtb5kleKqmiUqiZ4_P1-uPMypVvwIhphjA/edit?usp=sharing
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 25, 2020, 11:38:07 AM
For those with kids, our school put together a Curriculum & Activity Resources for Virtual Learning spreadsheet that might be of use to you all: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zUWcmSRJaZtb5kleKqmiUqiZ4_P1-uPMypVvwIhphjA/edit?usp=sharing

very cool. thanks, Mike
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 26, 2020, 10:19:49 AM
interesting

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/22/world/coronavirus-spread.html?action=click&module=RelatedLinks&pgtype=Article
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Perspective on March 26, 2020, 10:42:59 AM
Cool visualization.

Part II is going to much more sad :( 
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: ober on March 26, 2020, 11:11:01 AM
That is wildly interesting.  Thanks for sharing that!
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 26, 2020, 11:34:59 AM
holy cow!

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/26/821580191/unemployment-claims-expected-to-shatter-records
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: ober on March 26, 2020, 12:29:26 PM
Not sure why that's a holy cow... people are getting laid off everywhere.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 26, 2020, 12:55:39 PM
Not sure why that's a holy cow... people are getting laid off everywhere.

The numbers are staggering. And in such short time. That graph is an awesome visualization. So yeah, holy cow!
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 26, 2020, 09:50:05 PM
what do you guys think of the stimulus/emergency bill that looks like it will be passed shortly? Who will we borrowing from to make it happen? we need it, that's for sure - but will it stop a depression? how many more bills like this can we afford?

Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: ober on March 26, 2020, 10:25:25 PM
Seems like most countries are doing it and most of them are more aggressive than us.  Canada promised 2K to every taxpayer for every month we're in this thing.  From what I heard the US version is a one time deal.  I don't think it will prevent a depression.  Too much has been lost already.  It will take a while to make that back up.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: micah on March 26, 2020, 11:03:38 PM
yeah, too little too late.
I mean, don't get me wrong, I'll take the money.  But even the patriots have a better chance of rebuilding in the next year than our economy does.

So many business are closing and so many will never reopen.  They just can't.  Even major chains, like The Cheesecake Factory, said they don't have the cash flow to make rent on their locations.  Other dining chains that were allowed to stay open for take out are closing anyway (like Red Robin) because it's not worth staying open.

My girlfriend works for a regional chain of hardware and pet stores.  They're allowed to stay open as they provide necessary consumer commodities...but after everyone stocked up the first week, business is way way way down.  On top of that, they decided to do curb-side pickup instead of having foot traffic in store.  The cost of paying employees, in some locations, exceeds the net income to the store.  My girlfriend, who can see all stores real-time sales figures, said that one store GROSSED less than $1,000 a day this week.

When this is all over, the survivors are going to be the mega corporations that were allowed to remain open and could handle the costs associated with doing business during the pandemic.  Walmart, Target, CVS, Walgreens, Amazon... they all have CEO's on the presidential task force and they're all actually staffing UP and giving raises and bonuses to employees (as they should)--- all the while, smaller chains simply can not compete. 

Retail margins are low - restaurants are even lower.  I don't see our local "country dinner" (thats the name) which closed last week ever reopening.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Perspective on March 27, 2020, 08:07:13 AM
>Canada promised 2K to every taxpayer for every month we're in this thing.

Yeah, for everyone that has lost all income. It's nice that anyone can qualify, even if they don't qualify for EI. This means contractors and self-employed people too who haven't necessarily been paying into the EI program.

My wife has probably lost about half of her income, which really sucks. She is still making some money so she doesn't qualify for the government help.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: ober on March 27, 2020, 09:02:42 AM
Ah, that's different than what I heard.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Perspective on March 27, 2020, 10:03:50 AM
Yeah that's what I understand from a first glance at reading the site, hopefully I'm wrong and she does qualify for something.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 27, 2020, 10:49:22 AM
Denmark is covering 75% of employees salaries https://www.macleans.ca/economy/economicanalysis/how-denmark-got-ahead-of-the-covid-19-economic-crisis/

I wonder how long they can sustain that for - sure they are a super small country, but wow.

The measures being taken by all these countries just point at how really negative the outlook for this is. :(
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on March 27, 2020, 11:39:25 AM
One thing that is kind of annoying about these stimulus plans (and taxes in general) is that they never adjust for cost of living.  The US is huge and has a lot of diverse economies so treating monolithically is sometimes frustrating.

Fortunately, both my wife and I are still full time employed and it doesn't look to be changing so we don't really need it.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: ober on March 27, 2020, 01:03:59 PM
Yeah Mike... I thought that too.  COL is massively different depending on where you live.  This 'one size fits all' thing sucks but at least it's better than nothing for some.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: charlie on March 27, 2020, 04:53:40 PM
Honestly I'm "happy" with the U.S. response so far relative to expectations. Seems like Republicans were a lot more open to certain types of relief than they were in 2008-09. I think the unemployment benefits are big in that it allows businesses to lay off workers for now and hire them back later, although you all are right about the fixed costs being a significant hurdle.

I expect there will be a push for a "phase 4" in a month or so once the real numbers come in. I'm not sure there's a choice, given that if we don't do this then the economy will be hit just as hard by the pandemic itself.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on March 27, 2020, 05:41:57 PM
It might have been hard to work out in time but I would rather have seen the money go to boost unemployment coverage for those that were laid off or had hours reduce.  As I mentioned, my wife and I are still working full time and we aren't concerned about paying our mortgage, bills, or getting groceries.  We don't really need the money.  My friend who got laid off  temporarily does.

That said, I'll applaud their efforts to put this together rather quickly and with such support from all involved.

Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: charlie on March 28, 2020, 02:25:16 AM
It might have been hard to work out in time but I would rather have seen the money go to boost unemployment coverage for those that were laid off or had hours reduce.  As I mentioned, my wife and I are still working full time and we aren't concerned about paying our mortgage, bills, or getting groceries.  We don't really need the money.  My friend who got laid off  temporarily does.

That said, I'll applaud their efforts to put this together rather quickly and with such support from all involved.

I think at 100%+ salary there's not much more they could have done for unemployment. (I'm not sure how much there is for folks who simply reduced hours, though.)

The money for everybody I think is more for keeping the economy afloat than specifically to help people recover from major income loss.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: ober on March 28, 2020, 10:49:38 AM
Agreed with Charlie on the reasoning.  The idea is that we all have money to continue buying things and keeping businesses going.  Yes it will help some that have lost jobs or have reduced hours but getting us all to keep spending is at least half the idea.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: micah on March 28, 2020, 11:40:48 AM
Agreed with Charlie on the reasoning.  The idea is that we all have money to continue buying things and keeping businesses going.  Yes it will help some that have lost jobs or have reduced hours but getting us all to keep spending is at least half the idea.

it's just, we're all going to spend the money on amazon and walmart.  All the local businesses, the small chains; are closed.  So "The" econnomy will keep getting money pumped into it, but I don't see it really helping local micro-economies.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: ober on March 28, 2020, 11:44:25 AM
I disagree.  I specifically have been trying to spend money locally.  As should you.  I know some businesses are closed but feeding money to the ones that are open will only bolster the others when they reopen.  If we all only shop at online retailers we're only fucking ourselves. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on March 28, 2020, 01:54:28 PM
It might have been hard to work out in time but I would rather have seen the money go to boost unemployment coverage for those that were laid off or had hours reduce.  As I mentioned, my wife and I are still working full time and we aren't concerned about paying our mortgage, bills, or getting groceries.  We don't really need the money.  My friend who got laid off  temporarily does.

That said, I'll applaud their efforts to put this together rather quickly and with such support from all involved.

I think at 100%+ salary there's not much more they could have done for unemployment. (I'm not sure how much there is for folks who simply reduced hours, though.)
I think I missed that part.  Do you know how long it'll be funded for?

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The money for everybody I think is more for keeping the economy afloat than specifically to help people recover from major income loss.
But I have money to keep doing what I'm doing.  /shrug  I guess I just want to make sure that the people who are getting fucked the hardest are being taken care of (I'm sure you do as well)

I disagree.  I specifically have been trying to spend money locally.  As should you.  I know some businesses are closed but feeding money to the ones that are open will only bolster the others when they reopen.  If we all only shop at online retailers we're only fucking ourselves. 
I know personally since I'm not going out as much it is a lot harder to spend locally.  I'm certainly not going to the movies anytime soon.  We are still ordering from the same restaurants but certainly not as often (partly because my wife is more risk adverse than I am) and most of them are chains.  I'm certainly not going to the sketchy hole-in-the-wall Mexican place even though their taco tuesday is so good.  I do run to the hardware store but that's an Ace so while a local store it isn't like a mom-and-pop.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: charlie on March 28, 2020, 10:25:29 PM
I think I missed that part.  Do you know how long it'll be funded for?

I don't remember seeing it definitively, but if I recall correctly it's at least "months". (Side note, it looked like I was saying 100% plus salary, but I meant reimbursement of full salary plus in some cases a little bit more- which is why some Republicans almost held up the bill in the Senate.)


But I have money to keep doing what I'm doing.  /shrug  I guess I just want to make sure that the people who are getting fucked the hardest are being taken care of (I'm sure you do as well)

Nah, not really. I want the cash. It's time for a new phone.

Ha ha, just kidding. I'm sure it's more that it's too hard to target the people who really need it so it's better to just give the checks to everybody and then if you really want to get the money back from those who don't need it you use the tax code later.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on March 29, 2020, 06:24:21 PM
I think I missed that part.  Do you know how long it'll be funded for?

I don't remember seeing it definitively, but if I recall correctly it's at least "months". (Side note, it looked like I was saying 100% plus salary, but I meant reimbursement of full salary plus in some cases a little bit more- which is why some Republicans almost held up the bill in the Senate.)


I think it is 36 weeks now.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on April 01, 2020, 10:30:53 AM
Illinois extended the stay-at-home order until end of April - and with that school's are off as well. Looks like we will be staying in the forest for another month. I'm enjoying it quite a bit, but I kind of feel sorry that my kids can't do all their after school stuff - they miss it quite a bit. My daughter is practicing her dance stuff, but it is harder for my son to do rock climbing and BJJ by him self at home :/ there are only so many exercises you can motivate a ten year old to do.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on April 01, 2020, 12:25:36 PM
I disagree.  I specifically have been trying to spend money locally.  As should you.  I know some businesses are closed but feeding money to the ones that are open will only bolster the others when they reopen.  If we all only shop at online retailers we're only fucking ourselves. 
The caterer that did our wedding just send an email that you can buy meals for healthcare workers.  This is (IMO) a great idea as it keeps their business going and supports our healthcare workers.  I hope other local businesses can come up with solutions like this.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: charlie on April 02, 2020, 01:35:40 AM
Schools closed through the end of the school year here. Which we expected but not everybody did so there's some sadness around town (or so I hear, I don't actually talk to anybody).

Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Perspective on April 02, 2020, 08:10:55 AM
Our school closure has been extended to May, but I doubt it will open before the end of the year... at this point I'm crossing my fingers for September. My son is supposed to start junior kindergarten.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: micah on April 02, 2020, 11:34:04 AM
we're still scheduled to resume April 20th but I highly doubt that will happen. 
New "work from home" packets will be ready for the kids tomorrow.  My kids haven't come close to finishing the first three weeks worth of stuff  :rolleyes:

A lot of this is starting to hit closer to home.  My girlfriend's coworker's dad just died from the virus.  My coworker's grandfather was just hospitalized for pneumonia but hasn't been confirmed as COVID-19 still, he's old and like 90lbs and the hospital sent him home after 2 days because they're overcrowded and he didn't currently need respiratory therapy.

Anyway, just the anxiety levels of so many people is so high and, while for some, this situation brings out the best, for so many others it makes them the worst version of themselves.  My girlfriend was on a call with a colleague in NYC who said was talkinga bout how every one is so on edge. Like, "it feels like 9/11 except then, you knew who the enemy was and everyone came together but now, everyone else is the enemy."  I thought that was a really telling statement and a good comparison of how this all feels right now
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: jkim on April 02, 2020, 01:42:07 PM
Micah, did they at least perform a test on your coworker's grandfather? Honestly, it's probably best for him to be home if he's mostly stable.

As for NYC on edge, it's really true. I was walking to Duane Reade to get some tums the other day and went by this little old lady who was moving kind of slow and not in a straight line. After I passed her, she yelled at me "mind your six feet!" I kind of wanted to tell her that she was the one that almost cut me off while I was walking PAST her, but by the time she finished her sentence, I was already 12 feet out in front of her. Soooo, I just kept walking.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on April 03, 2020, 08:30:04 PM
So we are officially going to "Remote Learning Days" through the end of April, but most likely to the end of the year. Teachers are doing another planning day on Monday. They will be using an actual schedule to have the learning be a much more structured than over the past two weeks. Even though I thought what they were doing worked, but it probably didn't work for a lot of kids and we're lucky that ours took to it so well. I think the structured approach will be better.

But even with that, only a few kids participated in the seesaw platform - out of the school's two 4th grades (about 30 kids) - less than 10 posted anything

Next week they will start live communication through hangouts as well - so that's kind of cool. But it means we will all have to be in our areas so not to disturb each other too much - potentially all four of us could be on a video call of sorts at the same time! isn't that crazy?

I wonder how the district will handle kids that don't have internet access :( I heard that comcast is doing two free months in cases like that - but it could be only a rumor.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: ober on April 04, 2020, 11:35:10 AM
No, I heard the same.  Spectrum is offering a no-cost option for people that need it.  It seems like all the kids in my kids' classes have access.  They had a Zoom meeting the other day and I assume those will pick up.  They actually have spring break next week but both of my kids have stuff they need to finish up that's due by the time remote learning resumes the following week.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: kermi3 on April 04, 2020, 12:30:53 PM
Hey Folks - Popping in.  I’m glad Jake bugged me to do so.  How’s everyone? 

I’m gonna be an asshole, and not read all the backlog.  Is everyone safe and at home?

I’m huddled at home.  Not really going anywhere except here and my girlfriend’s house.  Neither is she.  We sent the kids home a week early for spring break, and we’re now closed on campus for the year.  We “go back” on Monday - digitally.  I spent my break wallowing, prepping, and redoing my home office to prepare.  Working from home is tough.  Way tougher I know for the girlfriend and her 6 year old - and the rest of you with kids in the house.

How is everyone?  I haven’t had the emotional fortitude to engage a lot - thus why I didn’t come by sooner, but I’ve been thinking of you all.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: KnuckleBuckett on April 05, 2020, 09:38:46 AM
Knuck update time...

Laura and I are doing okay here.  Living our typical boring life.  Went traveled to in Europe in 2018.  Replaced my car with another just like it when it hit 200K and 11 years.  She replaced hers this year with a Lexus SUV when hers hit 200K and 16 years.  Weathered a strike at work, and then afterwards hit 20 years of service.

Had THE WORST cold of my life the first three weeks of this 2020.  My coworkers think I had Covid-19.  It freaked them out that I was out that much and so messed up.  I rarely get sick and never for more than a day or so.  I don't think I had C-19, but I certainly had many of the symptoms.  Especially with the brutal cough and plugged up lungs.  It knocked me out for nearly three weeks.  My personal guess is that it was multiple bacterial infections.  A light case of bacterial pneumonia, a good old fashioned cold, and a sinus infection simultaneously.  They tested me for all sorts of stuff at the doctor and everything showed negative.  C-10 wasn't being tested for a the time so I suppose I won't know unless I get C-19 at some time in the future.  Though I would prefer to avoid that if possible in favor of a vaccination in a year or two.

Laura and I are surrounded by really great neighbors which makes this mess a lot easier to deal with.  I am working as normal through the C-19 pandemic and Laura is working from home for the foreseeable future.

Mom has been dealing with multiple myeloma in MI, so it sucks that we are 500 miles away.  Brother and relatives are helping when needed.  We visit Michigan more often.  For somebody in their 70s she is handling it pretty well.

Kermi you don't mind, jump into Discord and we will exchange contact info, so that the next time we visit MI, we can get together for a meetup with you and yours.  I am in there quite often.  You will still know folks in there.

In other news I brew beer every so often with a neighborhood coworker.  When/if we meet up in MI, I can bring you a couple.  We brew very high quality beer as good as anything you can get in most specialty stores.  We even sneak in an occasional wine and or orange blossom mead.

Obes very very is jealous because when I visited him brewing wasn't a thing yet so he received not one delicious beverage.  Don't be jealous Benny.  Just stop by the house next time you are out!!   :love:


Technobabble
I just replaced my old Anker brand earbuds with the Amazon ones and they are surprisingly nice.  Still spec and build gaming PCs.  Mine is due to be replaced this or next year.  You still grow experimental lifeforms inside yours?  :D
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: micah on April 06, 2020, 10:40:21 AM
On our status call this morning my boss told us that his wife, who is a nurse in Boston, spent two days mentoring a new hire who, on the second day went home sick and tested positive for the virus.  So he's like, "don't think I'll be coming back to the office any time soon."

I read to day that apparently the tigers at the Bronx Zoo are the first US cases of the virus spreading to animals...and the first tigers in the world to get sick from it (as far as anyone knows)  Crazy.

On the homefront, better late then never, I'm finally doubling down on isolation as best as possible.  We've been being pretty good but there were a couple times last week I took Harper with me to the store and we were all hitting up fast food drive-thrus quite a bit.  No more taking the kids anywhere, and I'm stocked up on soda and snacks at home so I don't have to randomly be like, "girls get dressed, I need a 7-Eleven run" LOL.  My girlfriends "mom" made me a mask last week, I started wearing it today when I stopped for gas.

So ready for this to be over! I think we should revisit the meetup at Jakes cabin idea for this summer or fall.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on April 06, 2020, 10:57:27 AM
On the homefront, better late then never, I'm finally doubling down on isolation as best as possible.  We've been being pretty good but there were a couple times last week I took Harper with me to the store and we were all hitting up fast food drive-thrus quite a bit.  No more taking the kids anywhere, and I'm stocked up on soda and snacks at home so I don't have to randomly be like, "girls get dressed, I need a 7-Eleven run" LOL.  My girlfriends "mom" made me a mask last week, I started wearing it today when I stopped for gas.

THANK YOU!  I went to the grocery store last week and I was amazed about how many people had MULTIPLE kids with them.  In the age range where they wander around and definitely aren't refraining from touching stuff and then their face.  I can understand it is hard but whole fuck keep them out of the store for everyone's sake.

I was also amazed by the number of older couples at the store.  The wife and I are only sending one person (me) out just to limit exposure.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: micah on April 06, 2020, 12:12:55 PM
I just realized that a facebook friend of mine, a girl I went to highschool with, has the virus.  She is a respiratory therapist but she also has lupus.  On top of that, her kids have always had health issues and she's been separated from them for a week.  So sad.  She's currently at home but her doctor is concerned about her heart inflammation.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: jkim on April 06, 2020, 01:59:18 PM
I'm currently at the hospital. I was hoping to work from home tomorrow and Wednesday, but we're finally getting our COVID testing kits tomorrow so we'll be going live the same day (which is insane in regular day life). So maybe I'll be WFH Wed/Thurs instead. That means my office mate (who tested positive, was out for two weeks, and was cleared to WFH for the last week) will have been away from the office for 17 work days!

Husband has been WFH for the last year, so this is normal for him, but what is not normal is having the toddler at home all time wreaking havoc.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: charlie on April 10, 2020, 11:52:33 PM
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We're starting to get the vibe around here that we'll be cancelling our 2,500 kid/1,000 staff camp....

Yeah, that's a lot of people... It feels like we might start opening things up before the summer but I feel like large groups like this might not be coming back for a long time.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on April 14, 2020, 12:15:27 PM
So, procrastination paid off for the wife and I.  Our 2018 return was just under the $150K amount for the stimulus checks and last week we had the accountant prepare our 2019 return and it is a good amount over that threshold.    Sure, I feel a little bad since we aren't in need of the money but being lazy with the taxes paid off this time.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: charlie on April 14, 2020, 01:45:01 PM
I'm concerned that it doesn't seem like much progress is being made in ramping up testing and building up hospital supplies. The whole point of all these lockdowns was to give time for those things to catch up and be put into place. Is that even going to happen?
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on April 14, 2020, 02:00:04 PM
I don't expect testing to every ramp up in the US.  Many places are nearing the expected peak and are just assuming that if you have the symptoms you have the disease.  I expect that the antibody test to be the bigger focus as that gives you more of an idea of when we can open back up safely (not that certain people care about doing it safely).
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: charlie on April 14, 2020, 04:50:56 PM
I don't expect testing to every ramp up in the US.  Many places are nearing the expected peak and are just assuming that if you have the symptoms you have the disease.  I expect that the antibody test to be the bigger focus as that gives you more of an idea of when we can open back up safely (not that certain people care about doing it safely).

That would be bad. If things open up and we can't test and trace then infections will spike again and we'll have to go back into lockdown. We'd have to get lucky and have a LOT more asymptomatic infected folks running around for that to be a reasonable path forward in my opinion.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on April 14, 2020, 05:55:04 PM
Agreed.  I just don't see the tests ramping up too much beyond the current level.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on April 14, 2020, 07:04:07 PM
I don't expect testing to every ramp up in the US.  Many places are nearing the expected peak and are just assuming that if you have the symptoms you have the disease.  I expect that the antibody test to be the bigger focus as that gives you more of an idea of when we can open back up safely (not that certain people care about doing it safely).

I agree with Mike. I think this is the big push now, to offer a home test for the antibodies
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: micah on April 15, 2020, 01:10:29 AM
jack pot! thank you Corona
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on April 15, 2020, 10:05:02 AM
Racking in that 31 cents!
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: jkim on April 16, 2020, 07:11:21 AM
Our stimulus payment didn't hit as of yesterday, so we went ahead and added info to https://www.irs.gov/coronavirus/get-my-payment

We won't be getting the full amount back, but it's more than nothing. Someone in a FB group I'm in was bitching about how everyone was going to spend this on "crap" and why didn't the government put this into something like healthcare. I get where they were prooooobably coming from, but that privilege was full-frontal and they were getting draaagged from people who were asking where they was donating their stimulus check to.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: jkim on April 16, 2020, 07:51:05 AM
I'm also worried about relaxing measures while we don't have sufficient testing available.

IMO the antibody test is really only useful in determining how much of the population was actually affected and asymptomatic to further determine transmissibility, pathogenesis, and mortality rates. It seems incredibly dangerous to put faith into these tests bringing us "back to normal." We might not end up with another wave the same way we experienced this time around in June or July but the testing response has been embarrassing.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: ober on April 16, 2020, 09:00:33 AM
Totally agree Jen.  These people that are protesting and the idiots that just want to open everything back up are just asking for trouble.  If we had responded like some of the other countries we might be in better shape but we didn't.  And we're not. 

I'm sort of surprised by some people's responses to the stimulus checks.  I know a LOT of people that their job is either on hold or they flat out lost their job.  People that say stuff like that need a reality check (pun intended).
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: charlie on April 16, 2020, 10:07:12 AM
Someone in a FB group I'm in was bitching about how everyone was going to spend this on "crap" and why didn't the government put this into something like healthcare.

I mean... that's probably the #1 goal of a stimulus check... people spend it on crap which helps keep the economy afloat.

It also helps people who are struggling financially but I doubt there are that many people for which this one check is the difference.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: micah on April 16, 2020, 10:29:37 AM
Someone in a FB group I'm in was bitching about how everyone was going to spend this on "crap" and why didn't the government put this into something like healthcare.

I mean... that's probably the #1 goal of a stimulus check... people spend it on crap which helps keep the economy afloat.

It also helps people who are struggling financially but I doubt there are that many people for which this one check is the difference.

I don't think this check was meant to keep people afloat who have lost income... more like, as you said, its meant so people will buy crap and stimulate the economy.  I agree 100% with your second statement... this check means I can get all my regular bills caught up and not worry when spending several hundred dollars during my current house purging (eg, buying the kids mattresses or replacing/fixing hosehold items and buying cleaning supplies beyond my normal budget).   Also, I bought a new shirt.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on April 17, 2020, 10:17:42 AM
Our vendor shared this map with us yesterday. They are one of the biggest credit card processors for the hospitality industry in the country. This is the difference between 2/2/20 and first week of April.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: ober on April 17, 2020, 10:22:02 AM
ouch.

EDIT: I will also add, since my wife's business depends largely on people buying what I will call 'less essential items', her sales have taken a massive hit.  A good part of her business is invitations and of course no one is buying those.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Perspective on April 17, 2020, 10:50:09 AM
That's rough...

On the other hand, some retailers like Amazon are likely seeing massive increases. I know MS Azure had over 1000% increase on resource requests in their data centers. Massive shift in where $$ are going.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on April 17, 2020, 12:53:15 PM
We are talking about going back home in the next week or so. Looks like things are calming down a bit, and even though we love it here in the forest, there is that itch to go back. I can't quite put my finger on it as to why though - I just know I am ready to go back. We're still discussing the timing, but if it will not happen this weekend, and if everything stays the same, it will definitely be next weekend.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on April 17, 2020, 02:46:26 PM
Can't move back, you have plants growing that need your care!
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: micah on April 17, 2020, 04:18:41 PM
are things really going back to normal out your way? I feel like things are just getting worse and worse here.  Every few days theres a new restriction to mitigate spread and the sick/death count is continuing to rise.  No idea when the "peak" is, but even once we hit that, I can't imagine things heading back towards normal any time soon.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on April 17, 2020, 04:28:25 PM
We are nearing the expected peak out here.  However the message is that the peak doesn't mean we can go back yet.  Need to stay the course to keep it down.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: charlie on April 17, 2020, 04:36:59 PM
Need to ramp up testing and fortify hospitals (supplies and personnel) before coming out of lockdown! I don't think we're close (as in no way before May).
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on April 17, 2020, 07:16:24 PM
Yeah, Newsom said at least two weeks to start evaluating.

Also, heard that China is seeing a resurgence after loosing restrictions.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on April 18, 2020, 10:35:38 AM
and just like that, our plan got twisted again. The governor cancelled school for the rest of the year, and even though he wants to start opening up the economy, I'm sure it will be a long while longer before kids' after school stuff will return. I think we will reverse the roles on our houses, and go back to Chicago every couple of weeks to mow the lawn and do some other upkeep type stuff and just continue as we are here. Decision has not been made yet, but we are leaning this way now.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: micah on April 18, 2020, 05:37:04 PM
Jake, do you still have people staying with you, or is it just your immediate family?
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on April 18, 2020, 07:50:41 PM
Jake, do you still have people staying with you, or is it just your immediate family?

My best friend and his family spent a week or so here; his wife lost her job right before they came and then his job told him he can work from home but needs to be a half hour away at most...so they went back. So it's just us at this time
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: jkim on April 21, 2020, 02:10:36 PM
Our lab went live with one of our antibody tests today. Feeling proud right now.

Leadership also just announced that sick time from COVID is no longer being distinguished by hospital exposure vs outside exposure. Previously if you were out sick with COVID, you had to use sick time unless there was proven exposure at the hospital. If you had proven traceable direct exposure at the hospital, you could take up to 2 weeks without dipping into your sick bank. With this change, you can take up to 3 weeks out sick for COVID without dipping into your sick time. Change is retroactive, meaning my analyst who was out sick for 2 weeks gets his sick time AND vacation time back!!

He had only had a few days sick time available since he started in December and was close to building his vacation bank up to zero before he got sick (he took a pre-planned honeymoon in December). So now instead of having a 0 sick balance and -7 Vacation, he'll be at 4 and 7! I'm so glad for him.

Meanwhile we have employees asking if they can receive government assistance if they've been asked to NOT work while still getting paid 80% of their pay+benefits. Guys, keep me back from slapping these people.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: charlie on April 23, 2020, 03:18:31 AM
Our lab went live with one of our antibody tests today. Feeling proud right now.

That's awesome! :dblthumb2:



Can you send some to those Stanford researchers please so we can get some serology studies that we can have a little more confidence in?
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: ober on April 23, 2020, 08:58:31 AM
My sister works at a hospital in Philly and recently volunteered to work in the COVID unit after doing a rotation in it (the thinking being that she lives alone and didn't want to keep bouncing between her normal unit and the COVID one).  She said they were going to do serology studies on those nurses. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: kermi3 on April 24, 2020, 10:39:10 AM
Warning - multitopic ADHD post below! :D

Ouch.  That's awful Jake.  There aren't even really words for how things are crashing out.  We don't really have much of a choice if we don't want lots of people dying but...

I spent part of my check on a new monitor - and the rest is going to savings...

I will say - I was reading about everyone's exercise in the other thread.  The best part of where I live is the fact that I'm in the middle of the woods.  My walking has gone way up.  Dogs and I are up from probably averaging around 2 miles a day in a normal April to 4 miles a day so far this month - including a really nice 7am hike this morning.  My legs are constantly sore, but at least we're able to get out of the house.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Perspective on April 24, 2020, 01:24:29 PM
Not sure if this should go in the COVID thread or the election thread  :rofl: https://t.co/0EDqJcy38p
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on April 24, 2020, 01:30:44 PM
Not sure if this should go in the COVID thread or the election thread  :rofl: https://t.co/0EDqJcy38p
Hmmm how about the "Today I got pissed because......" thread?  Or the next-to-be-created "I'm losing all hope for humanity" thread.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: jkim on April 24, 2020, 02:07:43 PM
Not sure if this should go in the COVID thread or the election thread  :rofl: https://t.co/0EDqJcy38p
Hmmm how about the "Today I got pissed because......" thread?  Or the next-to-be-created "I'm losing all hope for humanity" thread.

It seems pretty par for course in terms of words coming from his face though.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: charlie on April 24, 2020, 02:33:52 PM
Related: This is from back in March... https://local.theonion.com/man-just-buying-one-of-every-cleaning-product-in-case-t-1842493766
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: kermi3 on April 24, 2020, 04:52:15 PM
Lol...tears
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on April 26, 2020, 03:42:05 PM
we came back home on Friday and we'll see how this week goes
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: ober on April 26, 2020, 04:56:05 PM
So while all this is going on, we've had some projects that we're trying to finish on the house.  Not sure if I mentioned it or not but we did a bunch of work in our kitchen at the end of last year.  It all looked really dated (honey oak cabinets, really old countertops that were busted up in a few places, etc.).  We had a carpenter come in and add crown molding to the cabinets and added a bunch of molding to the island to make it look more like a piece of furniture than a basic couple of cabinets slammed together.  Then we had quartz counters put in.  Then we had a painter come in and paint it all white.  We replaced the stove (went from gas to electric), replaced the fridge that was basically falling apart after 14 years, and replaced the microwave with one that was about half the height (which I didn't know existed previously and it's amazing!). 

Anyways, the last piece was backsplash.  We haven't been able to find a tile that we like but did a lot of online shopping and found one and ordered a sample and we really like it.  Oddly enough, we got it from Home Depot as a special order.

I had also placed an online order for some of the materials (mastic, sealer, etc.) and went to Lowes last night to pick it up.  It's really weird because I haven't really been anywhere but the grocery store since this all happened.  About half the people had masks, half didn't.  All the registers now have plexi-glass everywhere and a lot of the staff were wearing masks and/or gloves.  I think most of the people there to shop didn't really give a shit about any of it.  I did notice as I was leaving that they apparently hit some sort of capacity because they were stopping people from entering until someone left.  I guess that's new?  There were a lot of cars in the parking lot so I know there must have been at least 100 people inside. 

I had my wife with me but she stayed in our car.  I wore a mask the whole time but not gloves.  We went to a park afterward for a long walk which was nice because the weather was perfect.  Again, about half the people had masks, the others seemed oblivious. 

This whole thing just seems odd and only half-followed.  Granted, we went to an area where I expected less people to be following guidelines just because the general IQ over that way is probably a good 20 points lower than other surrounding cities... but still.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Perspective on April 27, 2020, 08:48:57 AM
Not surprised that half the people in Lowe's act as if nothing is happening. I have a friend who is a welder for a big construction company. He says it's just work as usual there. No social distancing, no guidelines from management, everyone works in close quarters, eats lunch together etc.. So if you're in the trades you probably don't feel the differences as much as us office workers that are stuck at home all day.

Our grocery stores also have plexi glass at the checkouts, capacity limits, and most people wearing masks. It's a little crazy to see.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on April 29, 2020, 09:52:27 PM
So, just found out that one our programmers has been working from a different state during the lock down.  And it is the one that hasn't been doing well professionally and we are having to devote a significant amount of time to try and bring up.

I'm not entirely sure what to think about it honestly.  Like, if we are all working remotely does it really matter where?  But he never communicated that to me nor our manager.  And, employment laws across states need special attention.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: jkim on April 30, 2020, 08:11:01 AM
Apparently one of my husband's coworkers has been working from Florida for the last two months. They decided they were going to take a vacation before everything happened and then decided to just stay there when things started locking down. I figure this particular's person's primary residence is not Florida so they're still getting paid their normal way. The company also has employees working from everywhere though so I guess they have employment law figured out?
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on April 30, 2020, 08:42:39 AM
Why would someone voluntarily stay in the clusterfuck that is Florida during this mess?  Like, do they want to catch it?
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: micah on April 30, 2020, 11:18:52 AM
yeah, when it comes to employment law, I have no ideas if its a big deal or not.

But I will say, I spend a lot of my working time at my girlfriend's house, which is over state lines and, at my last job, there were a couple of times when I "worked from home" at my parents house in PA and never mentioned to anyone that I was 6 hours from the office.  Seem's like it shouldn't be a big deal  :dunno:
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on April 30, 2020, 12:11:40 PM
I don't see how it is a big deal either, especially due to the once in a life time circumstance.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: charlie on April 30, 2020, 07:37:41 PM
My boss moved across the country after the new company that bought us out closed our office. He did eventually let them know and they fired him, but I think he preferred that anyway (he was ready for retirement).

But I don't see any issue with it at all if that's not their permanent address. If it is, then HR needs to know, but otherwise who cares? I've had co-workers work from other countries without it affecting their performance.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on April 30, 2020, 10:54:32 PM
> If it is, then HR needs to know, but otherwise who cares?

Employment law might.  And we aren't set up to handle out of state employees.

Also, there is still a requirement in our job duties to be able to do physical server and infrastructure maintenance.  Can't really do that if you are 10 hours away.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on May 01, 2020, 11:36:56 AM
So, fortunately, we don't have to worry about employment law since he didn't change his residence.  It becomes more of a departmental policy issue.  Sounds like there are other employees who are working from out of state in order to care for family, but they let the org know about it.  Our manager is gonna handle it from a communications perspective.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: ober on May 01, 2020, 12:19:28 PM
You still have physical servers???
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on May 01, 2020, 02:16:47 PM
Yeah.  Our production servers are at a collocation and we have an even bigger network at the office for test servers, active directory, and file stores.

We looked at going to AWS ~4 years ago but it fell through because of (blanking on term) the court jurisdiction.  Amazon wanted to keep Washington but our district wanted it to be in California and since we were dependent on the district to approve it we couldn't move forward.  We'll probably look at it again in a few years when we start prepping for the next round of hardware refresh.  The good news is that we are currently using AWS to host our new help videos so we've broken the seal and got a toe into it.

The biggest issue is that if we go cloud we now have student data on those servers and we have to make sure the contracts include protection of that data.

And even once that is done we will still have to have on premise servers for AD because that's a thing apparently.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: micah on May 01, 2020, 02:47:46 PM
You still have physical servers???

...
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: ober on May 01, 2020, 04:11:24 PM
I might recommend Azure.  We're moving all of our stuff (slowly) to Azure.  Better controls, better PaaS overall.  OH, and we recently started using CloudHealth which will help you contain costs.  Love that tool!
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: micah on May 14, 2020, 02:34:31 PM
just got off a call with 2 women from work - sales and marketing -- anyway, they were like, "I'm starting to think this whole thing is a hoax." And then the other one said, "I've heard a lot of people saying this is just because wants to put a chip in everyone." The first one replied, "I've heard that too, I tell you, I'll refuse one!"

you can't fix that kind of stupid.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: ober on May 14, 2020, 03:33:23 PM
They probably watched that plandemic video too.

Honestly, how can you see what is happening and still think it's a hoax?
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on May 22, 2020, 12:01:52 PM
Some interesting results from Indiana's recent study on its state's infection rate:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XWbBTwAsUM
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on June 01, 2020, 02:36:07 PM
An unexpected side effect of this is that a lot of churches have gone online allowing people out if the area to join in.

A couple of our church members attended a service at one of the Minneapolis congregations this weekend.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: charlie on June 25, 2020, 10:37:55 AM
Things have already been looking ominous for the last week or so but we are not in a good place in the U.S. with this right now. :(
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on July 09, 2020, 10:24:19 PM
how are things by in your neck of the woods?

Some of the activities are back on for our kids, and have been for about a month now. My son is back at BJJ - but it is modified, no grappling or wrestling until at least mid august. Masks optional. he goes 3 times a week now since rock climbing did not restart yet. The BJJ place will have 2, week-long camp sessions starting next week and we signed him up for both to get them out of the house.

My daughter's dance class is also back on - masks optional. Horseback riding is on as well, but due to her arm we are doing another week off from that.

public swimming pools are closed - which sucks. Good thing we have some white privileged friends with swimming pools :D
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: ober on July 09, 2020, 11:20:00 PM
Most things are still closed here or still doing remote or severely modified sessions.  A lot of the outdoor sports are going again though.  Our county just went to level 3 of 4 today, which means masks are required.  The next county over which covers downtown Cleveland is noted as 'almost level 4'.  So things are rising.  I suspect things will get tightened up again slightly but not full on lockdown like before.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on July 09, 2020, 11:31:55 PM
In my little neck of the woods it is mostly the same as it has been.  However, we are surrounded by counties that have, let's say, less than ideal responses to the outbreak.  As such, we are heading back to more restrictions in a little while.  If only people who fucking wear their fucking masks over their fucking nose and mouths we'd be a lot better off.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Perspective on July 10, 2020, 08:55:16 AM
Retail has reopened here. Bylaw was just passed requiring masks in all indoor public places and public transit. The only camps that are running are gymnastics and horseback riding.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: charlie on July 15, 2020, 10:03:15 PM
I had been hoping since there hadn't been much evidence of infection spreading in schools that maybe it might be safe to have partial in-person learning. But the last couple days I've seen several (anecdotal) reports that make that less and less likely.

Our schools open in 3 weeks and they are finalizing plans for the year tomorrow. Meanwhile apparently San Francisco and Sacramento have decided to go full distance learning. Our town hasn't been hit hard and they were thinking of going to a hybrid model but I'm getting more and more pessimistic that they'll be able to pull it off.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: micah on July 16, 2020, 12:29:42 AM
So at the end of the week, I'm taking my kids on a vacation.  My parents rented a 2-bedroom condo in Ocean Beach Maryland and the 5 of us (my parents, me and the girls) are going to stay there 5 nights, after first traveling to my parents house in Pennsylvania for one night before caravaning to the beach.  I agreed to the trip a few weeks back without hesitation because, as stressful as traveling with two crazy kids is, I'm sure I'll enjoy it and I haven't seen my dad since Christmas, and they haven't seen their grandkids in just as long.

But now I'm starting to worry.  I feel like, over the past month, I've been being fairly lax about hand washing diligence and maintaining proper distancing when out. I mean, anytime I have the girls, they don't leave the house (or the car if we run out to get snacks and food).  We always wear our masks but, the cases in Connecticut have greatly declined and are not spiking like they are elsewhere in the country.  In fact, our state has a mandatory 2-week quarantine if you so much as visit one of the nearly 2-dozen states listed and deemed as "hot spots."  So I've kinda let my guard down.

But now we're going to a vacation spot, staying in a condo complex, inevitably being out and about.  Maryland isn't quite a "hot spot" right now (at least, not as determined by Connecticut's standards)... but I'm wary that either the girls or I will greatly increase our chances of carrying the virus back home and, vicariously, passing it along to other loved ones.  Not to mention, staying in PA at my parents the first night - they've been mostly following "the rules" of their state and working from home the past serveral months (as far as I know) but... how can I trust it will be ok?  :dunno:

Maybe I'm just overthinking it.  Its too late to cancel now...and I DO want to go... just, getting some unanticipated anxiety about it all now.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: ober on July 16, 2020, 01:04:20 AM
Our governer just had a 30 min press conference tonight to basically tell shitheads to wear masks and that people need to social distance.  Cases are on the rise here and people need to stop being stupid.

Our kids are going to different schools this fall.  One has an 'all in or all out' option (meaning 5 days a week at school or 5 days a week distance learning).  That's for my daughter and I think we're going to have her distance learning at least for the first half of the year (that's when they allow you to switch).  My son's school is doing 2 days a week there and the rest at home OR all distance learning.  I honestly wish they both had a hybrid option.  I think they need it socially.  But we might just have them go virtual until shit calms the hell down.  Haven't fully decided yet.  I think we have until the 23rd.

As for your situation, Micah, I get it.  But I wouldn't go.  Fuck no.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: charlie on July 16, 2020, 02:20:00 AM
My thoughts on your situation, Micah...

If anybody in the group of 5 has it, then you're very likely going to all have it after this vacation. So the main question is how likely is it that you have it or your parents have it?

It's obviously a little harder to know since your "home unit" is larger than just you and the kids. It kind of spiders out into the lives of people who you don't know much about. Low case counts in Connecticut probably help you here, though. If you're only seeing a handful of cases in your area then you can feel a little more comfortable that the three of you are clean. I'm not sure how you assess your parents.

If and when you decide that you think the risk that any of the 5 of you have it is low enough to allow close contact with your parents, then the next concern is contracting it while on vacation. Does the condo share airflow with other units? I'm not sure how much risk that is but it would be on my mind. Other than that, I think it's just about good habits while you're there the same as it is at home. Don't hang out inside with anybody but the five of you (except for very short time periods to pick up takeout or buy groceries or whatever). Wear a mask at all times when near people, especially indoors.

Going to beach of all things is likely pretty safe. Unless it's severely overcrowded you're not going to get up in people's airspace much and it's usually pretty easy to keep your distance. So at least you have some fun stuff to do that isn't too scary.


Obviously I'm not an expert but bottom line is I'd assess how likely it is that anybody in this new 5-person unit is infected and how much risk you're willing to take in order to get some time with the grandparents. The vacation itself is probably relatively safe.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: ober on July 16, 2020, 09:03:25 AM
I've actually heard that the 'not being in people's air space' at the beach isn't exactly safe.  You can still get it if the wind is blowing in your direction and someone 20 feet away sneezes into the wind.  Unlikely, I know.  But 'safe' isn't a word I would use.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on July 16, 2020, 09:29:01 AM
In risk management there is no safe only "acceptable level of risk"
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on July 16, 2020, 09:40:53 AM
Our school district has not finalized plans yet. They have three working options: 100% elearning, hybrid model, or 100% in person. I would be ok with either option A or C, but probably not B. A neighboring district is implementing B, where kids will be going to school for 3 hours per day only. What a joke. Many parents will not be able to go to work still with that kind of arrangement. Another neighboring district is gearing up for 100% in person.

But with cases going back up, I am anticipating a 100% eLearning option at our schools.

edit: My son was invited into the DTP program - which is like an advanced program for reading and math - for this year. I wonder how that will be handled. He is one of 5 kids at his grade level in this program.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Perspective on July 16, 2020, 10:11:55 AM
Our school district has not finalized plans yet. They have three working options: 100% elearning, hybrid model, or 100% in person. I would be ok with either option A or C, but probably not B. A neighboring district is implementing B, where kids will be going to school for 3 hours per day only. What a joke. Many parents will not be able to go to work still with that kind of arrangement. Another neighboring district is gearing up for 100% in person.

But with cases going back up, I am anticipating a 100% eLearning option at our schools.

edit: My son was invited into the DTP program - which is like an advanced program for reading and math - for this year. I wonder how that will be handled. He is one of 5 kids at his grade level in this program.

Our province has mandated option B for at least September, followed by each school board making their own decision after. But for option B, attendance is optional, so some kids can choose to be fully remote.

I don't know how teachers can possibly prepare for that. I'm with you, I'll take A or C. B is going to be really hard for teachers and working parents.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: charlie on July 16, 2020, 02:49:14 PM
But 'safe' isn't a word I would use.

Relatively is doing a lot of work in my sentence...
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: charlie on July 16, 2020, 02:58:30 PM
Our district is focused on option B. The middle school is actually really just online-only but they will have a setup for kids to come into school to get support from teachers who monitor as they do their online work.

But the high school here (yes I have a kid in high school :v:) is haggling over how to do a hybrid model. They're trying to balance parents who demand social and emotional interaction time for their children, teachers who only have so many hours in a day, safety for all involved, and the needs of the families who have fewer resources to provide home supervision, internet access, etc. Oh, and trying to get something taught. They're also trying to balance that.

I don't have any good answers. I'm certainly lucky in that my kids won't be significantly affected either way, but that's not true for so many others and no matter what decision is made there will be significant sacrifices.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on July 16, 2020, 08:01:33 PM
Our district just shared this https://youtu.be/26VOfQAao3k
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on July 16, 2020, 08:53:48 PM
so we will have 2 options, either all in person or all remote - see 9:25 of that video. You have to commit to whatever option you chose for the entire year.

There is some challenges with both options, but with the first, there are some unknowns yet 22:15

Overall, I am happy with how the district is treating this. We will most likely opt for the in school option.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: ober on July 16, 2020, 10:23:55 PM
Our schools are doing it by the half year.  You get an option to change mid-year so you can start remote and then switch if things improve.  Or start hybrid (2 days a week) and then go full time or whatever.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: micah on July 17, 2020, 08:02:31 AM
I hate that our schools haven't announced a plan yet.  Our governor said at the beginning of this week that they will announce "the plan" in a month. a month from now is like 2 weeks before school starts. How can I plan anything?
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: charlie on July 21, 2020, 06:49:39 PM
Our district is focused on option B. The middle school is actually really just online-only but they will have a setup for kids to come into school to get support from teachers who monitor as they do their online work.

Our district is going online only for the first quarter at least.

Saw something where Florida's governor is being sued for opening schools and California's governor is being sued for closing them. No good answers...
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on July 28, 2020, 12:14:27 PM
and just like that, the in person option is off the table in our school district for at least the first 4 weeks. Even though majority of the parents preferred to send kids to school full time, majority of the teachers preferred remote...and here we are. Gotta love last minute changes.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: ober on July 28, 2020, 02:33:53 PM
So... just curious Jake, are you still working at home?  I'm still fully remote until sometime in 2021.  I think it would be unfair to send my kids back to school when it's not safe for me, as an adult, to go back to work.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Jake on July 28, 2020, 03:08:15 PM
So... just curious Jake, are you still working at home?  I'm still fully remote until sometime in 2021.  I think it would be unfair to send my kids back to school when it's not safe for me, as an adult, to go back to work.

I've been working from home for the past 3 years or so :p but to your question, I have been regularly visiting customers for the past month and a half. My wife is also working from home, but she has the option to start going back to the office. We wanted to wait for that until the kids are in school - she is anxious to go back also.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Perspective on August 04, 2020, 09:29:33 AM
Our schools are going back full-time in September. Masks mandatory for grade 4 and up, optional for 3 and under. Full class sizes too... not sure how I feel about that. Relieved that I'll be able to work normalish hours but a little worried about the potential for an outbreak in the school.
Title: Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Post by: Mike on August 09, 2020, 11:10:00 AM
We are remaining 100% virtual.  Additionally, the budget that passed caps funding to the 2019/20 school year level.  Which really sucks as we already enrolled and hired teachers for an increased student count.  And they have announced there will be deferments in the payments from the state.  I would recommend that all you parents really look at your school's budgets and funding.  Not only do we have a pandemic but there is a recession as well and neither of those are good for schools.