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Open Discussion / Re: ACB for SCOTUS
« Last post by hans on October 27, 2020, 07:10:40 PM »
I'd just like to take a moment to say Mitch McConnell is terrible. He's adjourned the senate following the confirmation for 2 weeks.

While it's probably not going to happen, I so hope he gets voted out for all of this.
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Open Discussion / Re: ACB for SCOTUS
« Last post by Mike on October 27, 2020, 12:11:22 PM »
I guess I don't get the "law and order" framing here but maybe that's just semantics. This seems totally within the law to do. It's just that it's (a) norm-breaking and (b) explicitly defended as a power grab whereas usually there is some (often dubious) rationale for why the move is fair.

From a strictly legal perspective what they did was legal yes.  From the perspective of "there are rules that we agree to follow that govern our behavior" then I would argue they have abandon that.  For me "law and order" is about the latter.  And this is part of a larger set of behavior - hence calling it a confirmation.
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Open Discussion / Re: ACB for SCOTUS
« Last post by jkim on October 27, 2020, 11:16:17 AM »
I'd just like to take a moment to say Mitch McConnell is terrible. He's adjourned the senate following the confirmation for 2 weeks.
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Open Discussion / Re: ACB for SCOTUS
« Last post by charlie on October 27, 2020, 11:09:18 AM »
Ya, Jake, I too am curious about normalcy.

I have to think about how I want to reply to that question on this forum. But I promise that I will.

If you mean taking rights away from people, I agree with you.

or stopping them from being taken away - like excessive gun control.

Before you answer just remember that the I'm pretty sure the Supreme Court has had a majority of Republican-appointed justices for decades. You'll have to justify saying that going even more conservative than that is a return to "normalcy".
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Open Discussion / Re: ACB for SCOTUS
« Last post by charlie on October 27, 2020, 11:04:09 AM »
you don't think the dems would do the exact same thing is the situation was flipped?

In all honesty I don't think they would, no. Generally speaking both parties push the boundaries of traditional norms in order to gain additional power, but this Garland/Barrett gambit is jumping way over those boundaries.

And the Democratic party has been much more timid about breaking norms than the Republicans, especially over the last 20-40 years. The logical and reasonable response would be to add two more justices to the court if (big if) Democrats win all three branches but at this point I'd say it's only 50-50 that they'd do that.

Well, the GOP has confirmed they are no longer the party of law and order.  I'm truly saddened by how far they have fallen.  The only thing they respect is whatever power they can take to benefit themselves.

I guess I don't get the "law and order" framing here but maybe that's just semantics. This seems totally within the law to do. It's just that it's (a) norm-breaking and (b) explicitly defended as a power grab whereas usually there is some (often dubious) rationale for why the move is fair.
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Open Discussion / Re: ACB for SCOTUS
« Last post by Jake on October 27, 2020, 10:56:17 AM »
Ya, Jake, I too am curious about normalcy.

I have to think about how I want to reply to that question on this forum. But I promise that I will.

If you mean taking rights away from people, I agree with you.

or stopping them from being taken away - like excessive gun control.
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Open Discussion / Re: ACB for SCOTUS
« Last post by hans on October 27, 2020, 10:02:47 AM »
Ya, Jake, I too am curious about normalcy.
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Open Discussion / Re: ACB for SCOTUS
« Last post by jkim on October 27, 2020, 10:01:57 AM »
Time will tell how she judges over SC case, but I'm mourning for all the doors Barrett could potentially close promptly after going through all the doors that RBG opened for her.
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Open Discussion / Re: ACB for SCOTUS
« Last post by ober on October 27, 2020, 07:58:49 AM »
I am happy that ACB is now on the Supreme Court - she will be a great addition and hopefully help sway the scales back to normalcy.
Not sure what you mean by normalcy.  If you mean taking rights away from people, I agree with you.
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Open Discussion / Re: ACB for SCOTUS
« Last post by Mike on October 27, 2020, 12:07:33 AM »
you don't think the dems would do the exact same thing is the situation was flipped?
That's some nice https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

The GOP is the one that claims to be the law and order party and yet they continue to prove that they are anything but.
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