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Vote for your preferred candidate(s) for U.S. President

Donald Trump (R)
0 (0%)
Joe Biden (D)
3 (60%)
Jo Jorgensen (L)
2 (40%)
Howie Hawkins (G)
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Total Members Voted: 5

Voting closed: November 03, 2020, 02:48:43 PM

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charlie

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #390 on: December 28, 2020, 03:52:44 PM »
Yeah, there is definitely means testing in this particular bill. (Which Trump finally signed :woot: )


But.. I'm not sure I agree that there needs to be any, at least in general. I feel like a system that has as little overhead and bureaucracy as possible is better. If you're worried it is not progressive enough, then you adjust your tax level accordingly. All the effort to make sure "only the right people" get it just costs time and money and often leads to missing out on helping some people who the program was intended for in the first place.

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #391 on: December 29, 2020, 04:19:57 AM »
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Yeah, there is definitely means testing in this particular bill.

Ah, that sounds pretty reasonable. Wasn't obvious from any of the reporting I read on it.

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All the effort to make sure "only the right people" get it

Yeah, I was thinking about that too. The thought I had in my head was to make it opt-in, that would certainly weed out those people for who $600 isn't worth completing a form. But it probably introduces too many opportunities for fraud.
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #392 on: December 29, 2020, 09:20:04 AM »
The thought I had in my head was to make it opt-in, that would certainly weed out those people for who $600 isn't worth completing a form. But it probably introduces too many opportunities for fraud.

I don't think anyone is going to say "well I don't really want $600." It really makes it more of a burden for everyone who does need it. And the fact of the matter is the people who really do need it need much more than $600.
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #393 on: January 05, 2021, 05:41:42 PM »
Should be a close race for the Senate tonight. Might not have a definitive result before bedtime like last time.

I encourage folks to check out the NYTimes needles: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/01/05/us/elections/forecast-georgia-senate-runoff.html

If they're running (sometimes there is problems and they shut it down) it gives a better sense of the state of the race than just vote tallies you see on TV. For example, it had Biden favored to win Georgia in November well before it was obvious that he'd have enough votes to get there.

I'm pretty 50-50. I could see it going any direction including a split vote. I expect it will be fairly close no matter what.

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #394 on: January 05, 2021, 10:48:02 PM »
Looks like Warnock is very likely to win and Ossoff is ahead of where he needs to be so things are looking good for two Democratic wins and a 50-50 Senate... Still possible Perdue pulls it out but at this point I wouldn't bet on it.


Edit: It's over. I guess I'm a little surprised but this is pretty good thing in my opinion. Unlikely anything radical or transformative gets done but at least the government will be able to govern and there will be a few hopefully good things passed as well.
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #395 on: January 06, 2021, 06:20:40 AM »
If Trump had given up his non-sense two weeks after the election when he last vaguely acknowledged that he lost and properly campaigned for the Georgia senate run-offs I doubt this would have gone down the same way. Sad.

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #396 on: January 06, 2021, 02:08:36 PM »
If Trump had given up his non-sense two weeks after the election when he last vaguely acknowledged that he lost and properly campaigned for the Georgia senate run-offs I doubt this would have gone down the same way. Sad.
I was actually thinking that this morning, but I am not really sad about it LOL
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #397 on: January 06, 2021, 02:30:00 PM »
The real question is have the Democrats finally decided they're actually going to leverage the power this time?
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #398 on: January 06, 2021, 03:25:41 PM »
Fucking animals amirite?*





* I of course have more nuanced thoughts on todayís protests but for now I thought this was appropriate.

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #399 on: January 06, 2021, 05:20:01 PM »
Am I the only one already thinking that Jan 20th is going to be a nightmare?
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #400 on: January 06, 2021, 05:58:03 PM »
I donít know. My gut feeling is that this doesnít get much worse. I feel like most of the Republican party will (finally) step up and speak out against Trumpís stolen election rhetoric and there will be a strong push for more order.

Also given Covid I donít expect the inauguration to be much of a celebration for protestors to interrupt. Weíll see though.

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #401 on: January 07, 2021, 11:23:12 PM »
Fucking animals amirite?*





* I of course have more nuanced thoughts on todayís protests but for now I thought this was appropriate.

You're right. What a fucking disgrace. What happened yesterday should was fucked...and it's a shame trump was egging these guys on. If there was concrete evidence, I'd probably be right there with them, but there is nothing. It is a done deal.

I hope that Biden leads from a centrist position, otherwise things will just get worse :/
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #402 on: January 07, 2021, 11:26:33 PM »
Odds on a second impeachment? I'm thinking about 50% at this point.

And that video from Trump today was clearly a defeated man reading a teleprompter he did not want to be reading. You know he's not capable of writing that speech and must have had some serious pressure put on him to do that.
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #403 on: January 08, 2021, 09:20:10 AM »
He was pressured by his staff.  I read that if he hadn't done that, more people would have resigned.  Too little, too late all around IMO.

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #404 on: January 08, 2021, 08:46:53 PM »
Odds on a second impeachment? I'm thinking about 50% at this point.

I think there's a decent chance the House impeaches. Maybe more likely than not. But I think it's unlikely that the Senate removes.

It feels like people just go through the motions, Democrats pushing to remove Trump and Republicans asking everybody to come together and move on. And then in a couple weeks it's Biden's turn to be President.

Things could change if there are additional protests/riots/violence on the 17th or another day and depending on how Trump reacts to that.