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In each head-to-head matchup below, vote for your preferred candidate(s) for U.S. President (you should vote 3 times)

---- Dem Primary Sanders vs. Biden ---------
0 (0%)
Bernie Sanders
3 (11.1%)
Joe Biden
6 (22.2%)
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0 (0%)
---- General Election Trump vs. Sanders -----
0 (0%)
Donald Trump
3 (11.1%)
Bernie Sanders
6 (22.2%)
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0 (0%)
---- General Election Trump vs. Biden --------
0 (0%)
Donald Trump
2 (7.4%)
Joe Biden
6 (22.2%)
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1 (3.7%)

Total Members Voted: 10

Voting closes: November 03, 2020, 02:48:43 PM

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Jake

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Election 2020
« on: October 17, 2019, 10:44:19 PM »
I know it is still early, but what do you guys think so far.

I think that Trump is going to win, hands down. And not because he is a "great" president, but because the democrats suck so bad. It is pretty sad to watch it all.

I wish that we had a strong libertarian candidate. But that is a long shot, so I would take someone that is right down the middle. These extremes are painful.

Shit, I would even take trump, if he didn't shit all over the environmental issues. That is a deal breaker for me. 

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2019, 10:49:39 PM »
That is the deal breaker for you?  Are you serious?  Trump is a half-wit that is destroying this country through bad tax plans, awful trade negotiations, divisive domestic policies, and a non-stop stream of lies.  I'm kind of floored that you would even say that.

What do you have against Warren?  She's my current favorite out of the pack.

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2019, 10:54:55 PM »
That is the deal breaker for you?  Are you serious?  Trump is a half-wit that is destroying this country through bad tax plans, awful trade negotiations, divisive domestic policies, and a non-stop stream of lies.  I'm kind of floored that you would even say that.

you say that, because you listen to NPR/CNN - if you would listen to FOX News, your outlook would be 180 degrees opposite! haha. I will try to answer your question about trump, but not today.
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2019, 11:07:43 PM »
What do you have against Warren?  She's my current favorite out of the pack.

I don't know too much about her, but from what I do know is that she wants to get rid of the electoral college - this would pretty much mean that Democrats would start a democracy of power and the states with big metropolitan areas would decide who gets elected. And I say, fuck. that.

She also wants to start taking away guns - sure, she will start with the "nasty black" ones, but that will be a start. Again, fuck. that.

And WTF is it with many of the dems wanting to sky rocket the minimum wage. It is like they do not understand simple economics! A few months ago, that clown AOC tweeted something about the price of coffee or a pastry at an airport and how because of it the minimum wage should be $15/hour. What she doesn't seem to understand that as the minimum wage grows, so do the prices of goods! I mean, for fucks sake - it IS that simple.
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2019, 10:03:53 AM »
Minimum wage here is $14/hour and our prices are on par with the US.

Also, it's Election 2019, not 2020.. voting is THIS monday Oct 21st! I'm sure you guys are following all the drama of Canadian politics :D

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2019, 10:09:42 AM »
Increasing the minimum wage means more people have more money money to spend (there are more potential customers); which means more goods and services are purchased; which creates more jobs. It is ultimately better the economy. There is not a single product that will increase in price because people are earning a few dollars more per hour. I'd say it's more rational to believe that prices will drop as there will be more customers to compete for. Merchants generally don't know the salaries of their customers.

It will also lessen payday loans and the reliance on credit cards.

looks like higher education failed you as well, ethic. I am sorry.

Let me spin this around a bit and give you an example that directly effects me (but positively!). Do you know what the highest expense for a retailer is? in this instance a grocery store, supermarket, Kroger, target, wallmart, etc. Payroll - payroll is the biggest cost. Chicago is on track to have a $15/hr minimum wage in a couple of years. These retailers know that the only two ways to handle this increase is to A. increase the prices on their goods or B. do something to manage the increased payroll. And many are going with option B. And that mainly involves rolling out self checkouts to their stores. There isn't a kroeger around Chicago that doesn't have at least 6 of them. Many have 10-15 of them. I just opened a store in the Chicago burbs with 30! yep, 30 self checkouts. Business is booming, baby!

I'm sure you've seen it to. Not only in retail stores but in fast food places also. self serve kiosk are everywhere and the main reason for that is minimum wage getting higher.

Walmart's plan is to have 80% of all transactions go through self checkout by the end of 2020.

Just a few years ago Target vouched to never put in self checkouts - and now you will not find a store without them.
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2019, 01:20:53 PM »
>self serve kiosk are everywhere and the main reason for that is profit margins are higher.

I think this trend is independent of minimum wage. How do you possibly make 30 humans cost competitive with 30 self-checkout machines? Even if minimum wage was $2 / hour you'd still probably be ahead with self checkouts after a year or two.

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2019, 05:37:20 PM »
you say that, because you listen to NPR/CNN - if you would listen to FOX News, your outlook would be 180 degrees opposite! haha.

:eek:  :uhyeah:

I don't know too much about her, but from what I do know is that she wants to get rid of the electoral college - this would pretty much mean that Democrats would start a democracy of power and the states with big metropolitan areas would decide who gets elected. And I say, fuck. that.

 :uhyeah:

This is wrong, by the way. I don't know if she wants to get rid of the electoral college or not (she couldn't do it by herself anyway, that's like a part of the constitution), but even if it was gone it would not specifically favor the democrats. It's just "luck" that the Republican candidate has won the Presidency with fewer votes twice in the last 20 years. It could just as easily go the other way.

Maybe you're thinking of the senate, where if we had 1 person, 1 vote the democrats' position would be improved?


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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2019, 06:31:55 PM »
I liked Warren until yesterday when she decided to jump on the anti-charter school bandwagon.  /sigh

re EC:  How is it any different than the current political setup where only a handful of states are visited?  Did you know that in the last election neither of the major party candidates visited California after the primary?  You know, the state with the most people.

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2019, 09:14:57 PM »
Why would they visit a state which they know will not swing? Something in IL - I don't think either candidate visited last time around.
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2019, 09:16:31 PM »
you say that, because you listen to NPR/CNN - if you would listen to FOX News, your outlook would be 180 degrees opposite! haha.

:eek:  :uhyeah:

I don't know too much about her, but from what I do know is that she wants to get rid of the electoral college - this would pretty much mean that Democrats would start a democracy of power and the states with big metropolitan areas would decide who gets elected. And I say, fuck. that.

 :uhyeah:

This is wrong, by the way. I don't know if she wants to get rid of the electoral college or not (she couldn't do it by herself anyway, that's like a part of the constitution), but even if it was gone it would not specifically favor the democrats. It's just "luck" that the Republican candidate has won the Presidency with fewer votes twice in the last 20 years. It could just as easily go the other way.

Maybe you're thinking of the senate, where if we had 1 person, 1 vote the democrats' position would be improved?



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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2019, 09:46:10 PM »
I'm totally on board with getting rid of the electoral college.  It's a bullshit practice that ignores the popular vote and is based on rigged districts.  I have never understood how the people can vote in a president but he/she still loses.

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2019, 10:39:22 PM »
Without the electoral college less populous states will not matter at all. States without a large metropolitan area will not matter.
IL is a perfect example of this fact. Only the immidiate counties around Chicago (and Peoria if I remember correctly) voted Democrat; the rest of the state votes Republican. But because majority of the population is in these counties, what the rest of the state does, does not matter....I don't want that for America
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2019, 11:58:46 PM »
That's a flawed argument that I am tired of hearing.  I don't give a shit where the people live.  If more people vote for one person, that person should win.  Why does it matter where anyone lives?  One person, one vote.  The EC actually gives more weight to the less populated areas which is equally if not more unfair. 

Your argument is one from the republican side.  You like the EC because it works in your favor when the GOP has a half decent candidate that people get behind.  Why does 'the rest of the state' matter more than the metropolitan areas?  That's like saying people in cities don't count.

Your argument for 'less populous states won't matter' doesn't stand up either.  Removing the EC completely removes the need to care about states at all!  If the whole thing is based on popular vote then the only thing that matters are how many people vote regardless of location.

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2019, 12:08:32 AM »
It matters tremendously where people live! People in rural areas care about different things than the people in the cities...and vice versa. And you can't argue with the fact that more people live in major cities than not. I also don't think you can argue that people from cities "know best" what's good for the country folks (and vice versa, again). It is two very different worlds with very different needs.

Because most people live in metropolitan areas and most metropolitan areas vote Democrat, I could say your argument to remove the ec is a purely democratic one.

You have to care about the states. Again, a state like Wyoming, or Montana, or South Dakota, will have significantly different needs than California or New York
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