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In each head-to-head matchup below, vote for your preferred candidate(s) for U.S. President (you should vote 3 times)

---- Dem Primary Sanders vs. Biden ---------
0 (0%)
Bernie Sanders
3 (11.1%)
Joe Biden
5 (18.5%)
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0 (0%)
---- General Election Trump vs. Sanders -----
0 (0%)
Donald Trump
3 (11.1%)
Bernie Sanders
6 (22.2%)
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0 (0%)
---- General Election Trump vs. Biden --------
0 (0%)
Donald Trump
3 (11.1%)
Joe Biden
6 (22.2%)
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1 (3.7%)

Total Members Voted: 10

Voting closes: November 03, 2020, 02:48:43 PM

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #30 on: November 12, 2019, 12:59:51 AM »
So, I still think Trump is a duche of a person but I'll probably vote for him again.  You crazy liberals can't pick a normal middle-of-the-road blue-collar democrat.  It's all global-warming fear mongering, trump bashing and socialist programs. Honestly, I'd (begrudgingly) be ok with an old school pro-union tax and spend democrat but Warren? or Sanders?  I know you have a rabid left-wing base but the country is still 10 or 20 years from embarrassing that kind of extremism.  Stick to your incrementalism that has worked for my entire life time...and you'll get there; but have some patience.   For now, you need to just put up an old fart white guy and cross your fingers.  Also, at funny as the "ok boomer" memes and similar rhetoric from the likes of Ocasio-Cortez may play well to the hip reddit crowd... but seriously, you're isolating everyone over 40. have some patience, your day will come.
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #31 on: November 12, 2019, 09:06:17 AM »
aren't you a gen X?
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #32 on: November 12, 2019, 09:14:33 AM »
And actually, I think what people are worried about is that no, their day will not come. They'll die first
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #33 on: November 12, 2019, 09:35:08 AM »
And I'm not saying I agree with every proposal Sanders or Warren or AOC has.
Do I want to cry a little when I see $1225 taking out of every paycheck? Yes. Would I rather $1100 get taken out instead to fund programs that I don't necessarily agree with or cuts funding to programs I think are important? No.

I'm merely aligning myself to values I hold closer to myself. You are entitled to yours as well.
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #34 on: November 12, 2019, 10:28:04 AM »
there is some excitement behind bloomberg entering the race. I don't know much about him yet. What do you guys think if that happened?
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #35 on: November 12, 2019, 04:23:28 PM »
Global Warming isn't fear mongering
Thanks ethic.  I came to say that as well.

Micah/Jake, how can you vote for Trump when he runs things like a dictatorship?  He thinks he is above the law.  He is racist.  He's a bigot.  His immigration policy is literally ripping families apart.  He doesn't believe in global warming.  His foreign policy is laughable and is making us look like the biggest buffoons around the world.  He lies CONSTANTLY.

And I'm so sick of the 'socialist' bullshit.  You guys pin that word on every democratic policy yet there are many democracies around the world that run these proposed programs effectively in a democratic environment.  So many things are broken in this country and the republicans are not only not proposing fixes but also actively rallying against other proposals because.... why?  No one wants to work together anymore. 

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #36 on: November 12, 2019, 04:35:50 PM »
Man we haven't had a good debate on here in a while.  That's what used to make this place so alive.  C'mon - let's go toe to toe!

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #37 on: November 12, 2019, 05:08:05 PM »
I'm not sure why you're assuming that I will vote for Trump? I didn't vote for him last election, and am not planning on voting for him this time around - FYI

I'm trolling in this thread [but only a bit] to start some conversation because this forum leans heavily to the left ;)

I think I said it before. Fiscally I am quite conservative - for social issues, I don't want the government in people's life. I want a much bigger emphasis on the environment and its protection. I want to get rid of career politicians. I want a much smaller government. I want a strong military but I don't want to be the world's police force. I don't want to pay higher taxes. I don't want common core. I want to own as many guns as I can afford but I want lengthier back ground checks coupled with psychological evaluations

If you want, I can expand on any of those.

Our current political climate is too extreme. And I don't get it. I think that most people in America are closer to the middle than not. However, due to how vocal the extreme elements of both parties are, this brings in animosity and overall not very good feelings towards the other side. I think this is even more bloated out of proportion by the media.

At this time I would vote for any half way decent candidate that was a centrist - whatever party they were from.
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #38 on: November 12, 2019, 09:58:38 PM »
For some reason I assumed you were a Trumper based on things you've said.  My bad.  Maybe you're a bigger troll than I thought.

You had me until the common core bit.  Elaborate please. 

I generally agree with the other things you said.  Also, I don't mind paying more taxes if I get more for my money.  I'd be thrilled to pay more taxes if I didn't have to spend so much on healthcare (not equivalent to what I pay for healthcare... just to clarify).

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #39 on: November 12, 2019, 10:13:10 PM »
Common core, as we were introduced to it in grades 1-3 was a freaking joke. That way to teach math is not intuitive, weird, and stupid. I hated it and so did my kids. I'm so happy that our school is going back to teaching math the way we were. 
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #40 on: November 12, 2019, 10:21:53 PM »
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For some reason I assumed you were a Trumper based on things you've said.  My bad.

No biggie. But I want to push a little more, because I'm not sure what in this thread made you believe it. Was it the electoral college stance? Or criticizing the Democrats and not being able to field a half way decent candidate?

Either way, I am a registered Republican. I voted for Johnson last time around. I actually voted for Obama once also. Just once though! ;) I also voted for Bush. It does not matter who I vote for because I live in a state that votes the way Chicagoland votes. I will vote for Trump if Democrats field Bernie or another extremist. Otherwise I hope there will be a good third party candidate. If there is not, I will not vote.
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #41 on: November 12, 2019, 10:25:18 PM »
As far as the trolling goes...I enjoy defending Trump because so many people I know are so much against him. But they seem to hate him for things ( for the most part ) that are not important. Look at our economy - it is the strongest it has been in a long time. Look at the markets, they are hitting records. Look at unemployment... Sure, many of these things started with Obama, but if Trump was shit, they would not continue for so long and at such pace.
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #42 on: November 12, 2019, 10:36:40 PM »
I can agree that Trump is a jerk. I also think he got caught up in to this whole thing and that he hates being president but his ego didn't let him step away from the first election and it is the reason he will run (and most likely) win next year.

I don't like the tax reform that happened last year. Personally, that took away quite a bit of money from my family.

It seems that when the Republicans are I'm charge, the upper middle class, and the rich benefit. When the Democrats are in charge, the lower class benefits. It is the lower and middle, middle class that seems to get the shaft each time. It is these people, like me, and many of you, that don't have a voice.
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #43 on: November 13, 2019, 12:02:37 AM »
Common core, as we were introduced to it in grades 1-3 was a freaking joke. That way to teach math is not intuitive, weird, and stupid. I hated it and so did my kids. I'm so happy that our school is going back to teaching math the way we were. 
I'm kind of surprised by this.  I actually completely agree with the way common core was designed.  It's how I do math in my head and both of my kids did REALLY well with it and continue to be in accelerated math.  No offense when I say this but I found that the people that were against it in our school either didn't take the time to understand it or were to stubborn to see the benefit of it.  I went to a public session about it at one of the schools that only further solidified that view.

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #44 on: November 13, 2019, 12:06:58 AM »
As far as the trolling goes...I enjoy defending Trump because so many people I know are so much against him. But they seem to hate him for things ( for the most part ) that are not important. Look at our economy - it is the strongest it has been in a long time. Look at the markets, they are hitting records. Look at unemployment... Sure, many of these things started with Obama, but if Trump was shit, they would not continue for so long and at such pace.
You said it yourself... Obama started most of it.  And the tax thing that Trump did was a gimmick and will make things worse in the long run.  Anyone that saw the plan for that 10 years out knows that we're going to owe more taxes at that point then before the 'tax cut' went into effect. 

And if you have read anything about economics, we're headed for a recession.  I blame Trump and many of his stunts for that.  Republicans always try to come in and do some 'quick fix' that makes everyone happy for a few years and then when Democrats get back in the white house and try to correct it they seem like a bunch of asshats.