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Re: wireless headphones
« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2020, 11:44:34 AM »
Glad I could help.

seriously, I think I will return those over the ear phillips I got and just keep these.
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Re: wireless headphones
« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2020, 01:47:26 PM »
after over a month of using both headphones, here are my impressions:

TBI Pro
- super comfortable
- extra long battery life
- my phone actually tells me the battery level
- sound quality is garbage - I mean, music sounds horrible on these, even for me.
- even though they are comfortable once they are on, it does take some time for me to actually put them on, but that might be just me

overall, for the price, these are pretty sweet - if they improve sound quality, they will be bananas.

Phillips
- extra long battery life
- my phone actually tells me the battery level
- The "cooling" pads actually work and it feels good to put these things on, on a hot day outside
- music quality is pretty awesome
- noise cancellation - or whatever it is, is pretty sweet as well.
- at first the lay flat feature seemed unnecessary to me, but it is actually super convenient. I can throw them into my messenger bag or glove compartment without issue and they don't take up a lot of room

overall, I am happy with these as well and I don't have a con to list.
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Re: wireless headphones
« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2020, 10:09:37 PM »
Yeah the TBIs don't sound amazing but they aren't bad.  Plus I really only use them on the treadmill and mowing the lawn or maybe when cleaning.  If I get a new pair, it will likely be the Beats Pro - my wife has them and loves them.

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Re: wireless headphones
« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2020, 01:26:55 AM »
So, apparently I didn't realize that different audio devices (both receivers and transmitters) use different codec standards. I mean, it makes sense but I never thought about it.  I bought a bluetooth transmitter for the headphone jack on my mixer so I could do music with my wireless headphones.  It came today and the latency is horrible.  Like nearly 200ms.  If i was just listening to music it wouldn't make a difference but its completely unusable when playing music and awaiting immediate auditory feedback. The difference is nearly a full quarter-beat of lag. So, if you're listening to music and try to play along, as you press a key on the piano-keyboard you don't hear it until the next note is already coming through the headphones from the computer between 1/8th and 1/4 second later!

The transmitter says it low-latency (around 30-40ms) but after doing some research it turns out that LL is only possible when paired with a device using aptx codec.  The transmitter can do apt-x over bluetooth v5.0 BUT my $300 BOSE Headphones suck balls.  I tried pairing with these TBI Pro u9 headphones that we all love but am encountering the same problem even though the amazon ad (which now reads [updated 2020] so not sure if they're the same) says they support aptx.  The weird thing is though, they sound in sync with video on my computer.  My assumption is that the video (either youtube or my computer?) adds latency to the video on purpose in anticipation of of the audio's lag. (is that a thing?)

This is my fun experiment.

The audio comes out of my computer via USB to my mixer (which replaces my internal crappy sound card).  The mixer has standard analog 1/4" cables going to my speakers. I plugged the bluetooth transmitter into the headphone jack and paired my headphones.  Playing the above-linked video (and several other similar ones) while wearing the headphones, you can audibly hear the metronome ping in the speakers first, and then a split second later in the headphones. But this is the weird part - the speakers play the sound BEFORE the video shows when I should hear it and the headphones look spot on.

Its even weirder though when I run the same experiment with my music production DAW software. The latency is still there (and possibly even worse) BUT watching the scrolling timeline scrubber as the audio plays, the speakers are spot on with the visual representation but the headphones play the sound after the point in the timeline (which is what you would assume to see given the audible lag.) The only difference I can think of is that the production software uses a different audio driver (ASIO4ALL). 

Anyway the whole thing is super annoying and I'm just confused as to what the solve really is; other then continuing to use wired headphones.
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Re: wireless headphones
« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2020, 08:12:50 AM »
I've tried to use wireless headphones for work.  I really want to use them.  Wearing my heavier over the ear gaming headset gets tiresome over a full 8-9 hours.  I have yet to try a pair that either sounded good or didn't have a slight lag.  Plus there are a few people that use wireless headphones and most of them sound like shit.  What I don't know is if my $10 Bluetooth dongle I got off Amazon is a factor in this.  Even my wife's Beats Pro that I tried didn't sound good... but I'm not convinced that my setup is correct for those.  It's generally fine for listening to stuff (I don't notice the lag) but they're not good for meetings.  Part of me wants to splurge on a pair of air pods to see if they'd be any better.

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Re: wireless headphones
« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2020, 09:46:04 AM »
I have a jabra bluetooth headset for work. There's no noticeable latency (e.g., watching a video that voices line up properly with what you're seeing). They aren't the greatest headphones but the audio quality is decent. I have them paired directly with my macbook.

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Re: wireless headphones
« Reply #21 on: September 15, 2020, 02:08:15 PM »
My Jabra puck is also pretty great - very low latency  as well. Mine is about two years old, and I have to say it is one of my favorite work tools in the age of remote conferencing. Sound is great, echo cancelling, light weight and small, etc etc. I recommend this product: https://www.amazon.com/Jabra-Wireless-Bluetooth-Softphone-Packaging/dp/B00AQUO5RI
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Re: wireless headphones
« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2020, 08:13:54 AM »
My Jabra puck is also pretty great - very low latency  as well. Mine is about two years old, and I have to say it is one of my favorite work tools in the age of remote conferencing. Sound is great, echo cancelling, light weight and small, etc etc. I recommend this product: https://www.amazon.com/Jabra-Wireless-Bluetooth-Softphone-Packaging/dp/B00AQUO5RI

I have one of those too, the audio is great but I find the mic is only good if you're close to it. If you have it in the middle of a table with a bunch of people around it it's not sensitive enough.

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Re: wireless headphones
« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2020, 09:30:21 AM »
I have tried a variety of true wireless solutions.  Microphone reviews are by the folks I called to check just that not mine.

I started with Apple Airpods Pro mainly because of free access to a set.  Solid mic, ear feel is superior to my past Apple experience and due to the weight they stay in well enough even during walking, working around the yard and rowing. Airpods have the third best noise cancelling that I have heard in an in ear set.  Music listening is enjoyable but not super impressive.  Audiobooks and podcasts are ideal, great voicing here!  Functionality is top tier.  Pricing at $250 full price but can be found at $140 without getting sketchy.  Almost purchased a set.

Tried the Amazon Echo Buds next.  Mic is acceptable, nothing spectacular.  They have solid fit but I had slipping issues in one ear, which for me is really common.  Noise cancelling is second to nothing I have encountered.  Better than the Bose and Sennheiser headphones.  Mowing lawn is like when Ben mows lawn or when goats do.  Sound is better than the Airpods for music they just sound great.  Audiobooks and podcasts are wonderful with the noise cancelling.  Functionality is crazy handy if you connect to the Amazon universe.  Pricing is fair enough at $120 full price and regular sales at $90 without getting them used or some such.  I got a set free and right now a buddy (Mike Kelly) is using them and wants to purchase them. 

Samsung Galaxy Buds+.  Getting past the stupid nomenclature...  Great mic.  As good as the Apple in side by sides and votes both ways as to which is better.  That said, they seem to do better than the Airpods inside of a car.  We tried three cars (BMW, LEXUS, and Nissan) and two times the mic from the EB was better than the AP  in the Lexus it was a tie.  Fit is great.  Personally they feel more secure than the AP, but either are great.  No active noise cancelling....that said they match the AP for external noise cancelling.  They fit so well and block noise so well that they just don't seem to need it to compete with Apple.  That said Amazon is significantly better than either at noise cancellation. Nothing shakes these out of your ears!!  Audio.  Across the board best I have heard.  These are Etymotic levels of great.  WOW!  Functionality is on a par with Apple.  I really like the bionic hearing they can bring into the picture.  When I am walking I can literally hear cars behind me on curves.  Pricing is solid at $130 and on sale at $90 happens.  Purchased two sets.  One for each of us.  They hide in your ears, visually, better than any of the rest.

The Jabra Elite Active 75t.  Hearsay only.  These are supposed to compete with the SGB and AP as best sound with a great fit for active users.  These are real contenders.  Check them out.

I have tried a few other smaller brands Anker (many hours) are great for the money but not in the class of the ones previously noted.  My time with the Beats product was short and music only but they were meh and the music was clearly tampered with. I found them a disappointment.

For pure audio and no mic and a CABLE Audeze seems to rule the roost.  I have yet to experience them however reviews by people I trust are crazy good.  Need a wireless version.

Hope my experiences helped a bit.

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Re: wireless headphones
« Reply #24 on: September 16, 2020, 11:58:34 AM »
Thanks Knuck!  That's awesome :) 

So are you saying you would get the Samsung Buds+ if you had to buy a new set tomorrow?  What phone do you have? 

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Re: wireless headphones
« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2020, 10:31:11 PM »
I have a Samsung Galaxy S20 +.  No complaints.  Laura has the S10 and again no issues.

I would get the Galaxy Buds + again in a heartbeat.  Our phones match the color of the buds we have to make hers and mine easily identified.  These are the best in ear overall to me.

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Re: wireless headphones
« Reply #26 on: September 16, 2020, 11:14:23 PM »
in the end, I just ordered some well-reviewed budget WIRED headphones to use for home studio use.  Between the TBI-Pro in ear bluetooth and my Bose Q35II -- I have some good bluetooth options for general music listening or even taking work calls.  But for music production, I just want reliability and zero latency. I also like not having to remember to charge my headphones in order to use them.  I'll post a review on these at some point maybe.
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Re: wireless headphones
« Reply #27 on: September 19, 2020, 09:16:42 AM »